PES6 'radically different' from WE10
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Ko_nami
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vertetski said:
It hasn't changed much from the through balls in PES5.
There are only really a handful of things that have changed in WE10 compared to PES5.
If you're really interested in finding out about the changes in WE10, then maybe you should have a look at the WE10 Impressions thread.
http://www.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=37047&highlight=we10+impressions
http://www.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=37039&highlight=we10+impressions
shankly is god
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Ko_nami said:Err...Microsoft have only released one console prior to the Xbox 360. :erm:
Sony has released two consoles prior to the PS3. I'd say that makes them the more experienced company in the gaming market, wouldn't you?
Sony is currently dominating the gaming market. If you can't admit that then you're one severely deluded individual. :shocking: I mean, this is a company who overtook the experienced Nintendo and Sega and made them look like amateurs.
In any case, you're comparing two companies who specialise in two entirely different industries.
Sony are well known for their electronic products such as TVs, VCRs, Hi-Fis, Walkmans, Vaio PCs (and laptops), Game consoles etc, etc. Add the fact that 95% of their products are manufactured in Japan.
Whereas Microsoft is well known for their Computer Software and a couple of Game consoles - that's about it. And I seriously doubt that Microsoft's products are manufactured in Japan.
Also, let's not forget that Japan is the Holy Grail for manufacturing standards.Ask any business analyst where the best products are manufactured and the answer would almost always be Japan.
Germany is the only other country that compares to Japan when it comes to manufacturing standards. But, that's irrelevant to this topic.
Judging by your ill-informed reply, you must obviously be an Xbox fanboy who realises that his Xbox 360 will be technologically outdated just a year after its release.
Agreed.
i can see you are a sony bitch, let me take yuo wey back before ps one came out and microsfot was owning the online pc gaming so they thought to bring a console out and take over sony wich they are doing. i kno sony have made more consoles i am not an xbox fan boy and to even think of that when there are ppl sucking sony ass ( for sum strange reason) sony are out ragous and i bet that the ps3 will be the end of sony's consoles. you seem to be siding with sony due to you mention that sony making tv's etc wich in my view doesnt make them experts at consoles, and microsoft experts at online GAMING and games technology wich in my view makes them much more equiped at ruling the console market. i used to be a ps fan and i actually made my mind up that xbox would be shit etc but i honestly have to say that the graphics and overall experience is 100% better on xbox, the fact is that sony are in wey over their head with the never tested or well known hardware that is going into the ps3 i just think it will fail. with xbox it has 4 GPU's 512ram etc wich is more than capable and infact could take over from ps3. gd luck to you sir if your buing one i hope all goes well cus after all its only a media system not life or death.
p.s sorry for the way i layed out my posts i was just a lil anoyed at ppl ruling out xbox to ps3 when its not even tested.
Ko_nami
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shankly is god said:
Is that what you’re basing most of your "Microsoft are more experienced than Sony at gaming" argument on? Online gaming?
I don't know about you but I've always preferred playing against the CPU or with friends and family. I’m sorry but online gaming is not for me. :no:
In my opinion online gaming is only a feature of a game. It doesn't determine how good the game is which is what you seem to be insinuating. If I bought a game that doesn’t allow online gaming then I’m not too bothered to be honest. As long as the game itself is good in terms of playability, graphics and sound then that’s okay by me.
Microsoft are only more experienced at PC gaming when compared to Sony. Now I don’t know about you but console gaming and PC gaming are two entirely different standards of gaming, wouldn’t you? Prior to the first Xbox, Microsoft had no experience whatsoever at manufacturing gaming hardware. And that's a fact. Whereas Sony had already produced the PS1 and the PS2 by the time the first Xbox was released.
In regards to the actual hardware in the PS3, well you can say that about any new console cant you? All new consoles are likely to have their problems at first especially when the new technology is brand-spanking new and untested.
But I don’t think that this will cause major problems for Sony and the PS3. I’m sure that any problems identified after the release will be rectified within a few months. Sony are professionals remember as are Microsoft. They won’t sell a product that has fundamental errors in the hardware. And even if they did sell a product with such errors, they'd have to offer replacements or repairs.
If I can remember correctly, the first Xbox had a similar problem with its hardware during the first year of release. I think the problem had something to do with faulty power cables causing the Xbox console to overheat or something like that. I also remember that Microsoft offered everyone who bought those consoles replacement power cables. I sense that Sony would do the same if such a situation occurred. But to this day, no such mishap has occurred with the PS1 and PS2.
I’m sure that any hardware problems with the PS3 will be dealt with swiftly after a year or so after release. This wouldn’t affect me one bit though. I was planning on buying a PS3 a good year or two after release so that any hardware problems are fixed, the price will be much, much more affordable and the selection of games will only increase from there onwards.
Like I said, I’m not really interested in online gaming. If you want to stick with your Xbox based on the quality of its online gaming, then that’s fine.
But please don’t come out with statements such as Microsoft are more experienced in the gaming market than Sony simply because of their online gaming features and the fact that they’ve been developing PC games for donkeys years. :shocking:
Ko_nami said:If I can remember correctly, the first Xbox had a similar problem with its hardware during the first year of release. I think the problem had something to do with faulty power cables causing the Xbox console to overheat or something like that. I also remember that Microsoft offered everyone who bought those consoles replacement power cables. I sense that Sony would do the same if such a situation occurred. But to this day, no such mishap has occurred with the PS1 and PS2.
I'm on the fence as I have both consoles (he says as he sings John Lennons "imagine" with the new words "imagine there's no console wars, this today is my plea, no arguing of us PES fans, and no Nintendo Wii"
) but I'm just updating the info here. PS2 slimline did have a similar problem to the Xbox powerpack, infact they made this superb support website to help us detect if we had a faulty one....http://www.ps2ac.com/welcome.asp
Han said:Don't believe that! I even doubt if you can play a 360 demo at the convention.
Watch this picture... only PS2 controllers!
Hopefully they build a 360 stand as well. If not, you also can forget about the 360 demo at Marketplace.
I dont think its been said that the 360 version will be available for public play, just that Seabass will present the game to the media.
Ko_nami
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magoo said:I'm on the fence as I have both consoles (he says as he sings John Lennons "imagine" with the new words "imagine there's no console wars, this today is my plea, no arguing of us PES fans, and no Nintendo Wii"
http://www.ps2ac.com/welcome.asp
This is a great example of what I was originally talking about. :happy:
But let's not forget that this problem came about with the new slimline PS2 and not with the "old skool" PS2.
Even so, if the PS3 has similar problems then I fully expect Sony to rectify the problem swiftly (probably within a few months).
Thanks for the link.
shankly is god
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Ko_nami said:Is that what you’re basing most of your "Microsoft are more experienced than Sony at gaming" argument on? Online gaming?
I don't know about you but I've always preferred playing against the CPU or with friends and family. I’m sorry but online gaming is not for me. :no:
In my opinion online gaming is only a feature of a game. It doesn't determine how good the game is which is what you seem to be insinuating. If I bought a game that doesn’t allow online gaming then I’m not too bothered to be honest. As long as the game itself is good in terms of playability, graphics and sound then that’s okay by me.
Microsoft are only more experienced at PC gaming when compared to Sony. Now I don’t know about you but console gaming and PC gaming are two entirely different standards of gaming, wouldn’t you? Prior to the first Xbox, Microsoft had no experience whatsoever at manufacturing gaming hardware. And that's a fact. Whereas Sony had already produced the PS1 and the PS2 by the time the first Xbox was released.
In regards to the actual hardware in the PS3, well you can say that about any new console cant you? All new consoles are likely to have their problems at first especially when the new technology is brand-spanking new and untested.
But I don’t think that this will cause major problems for Sony and the PS3. I’m sure that any problems identified after the release will be rectified within a few months. Sony are professionals remember as are Microsoft. They won’t sell a product that has fundamental errors in the hardware. And even if they did sell a product with such errors, they'd have to offer replacements or repairs.
If I can remember correctly, the first Xbox had a similar problem with its hardware during the first year of release. I think the problem had something to do with faulty power cables causing the Xbox console to overheat or something like that. I also remember that Microsoft offered everyone who bought those consoles replacement power cables. I sense that Sony would do the same if such a situation occurred. But to this day, no such mishap has occurred with the PS1 and PS2.
I’m sure that any hardware problems with the PS3 will be dealt with swiftly after a year or so after release. This wouldn’t affect me one bit though. I was planning on buying a PS3 a good year or two after release so that any hardware problems are fixed, the price will be much, much more affordable and the selection of games will only increase from there onwards.
Like I said, I’m not really interested in online gaming. If you want to stick with your Xbox based on the quality of its online gaming, then that’s fine.
But please don’t come out with statements such as Microsoft are more experienced in the gaming market than Sony simply because of their online gaming features and the fact that they’ve been developing PC games for donkeys years. :shocking:
nah mate the online is just as you said a bonus, microsoft is more at hand with hardware like grapics card and inital components. the only reason ppl are still clining on to sony is because they made an old console so ppl are afraid to admit that sony is far outdated and have no idea what there doing
Ko_nami
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shankly is god said:
Of course, they're outdated at the moment. They have been since the first Xbox was released. But the PS3 is a completely different story.
For anybody who's interested, I've been having a look into this "Xbox 360 Vs PS3" business.
According to Wikipedia, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have quite similar specs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
If you look under the hardware section, you'll notice that both consoles have a 3.2 Ghz CPU, a total of 512 Mb of system memory and a graphic processing unit that operates above 500 Mhz.
This obviously means that both machines are identical in nature what with both having built in hard drives, wireless controllers and the additional flash memory drives.
But, if you look under the components section of the Xbox 360 article, it says there that the rumoured price for the optional HD-DVD drive is around $200. I'm guessing that's around £150.
hmy: I would never pay that much for an optional extra. :no: I think with Sony waiting for the Blu-Ray drive to be fully tested and ready for the PS3 is a good move in my opinion.
It means you don't have to fork out another £150+ to get something that may turn out to be a significant leap in technology (much like the DVD). In my opinion, if you buy an expensive piece of electronics equipment (such as a games console), then you should automatically expect the very best technology (available at that time) to already be built into the system.
So in effect, if you went out and bought that optional HD-DVD drive, you'd probably end up spending the same amount as you would on a PS3 with a built in Blu-Ray drive. I think that this is the point that most people are missing when comparing the prices. :erm:
But I can also see why Microsoft would release the 360 earlier than the PS3 though.
I think what Microsoft wanted to do was to get a head start ahead of the PS3 and get those vital sales in while the demand for next gen consoles was relatively fresh. But in the long term, this will work against Microsoft. The older generation of gamers want their consoles to be versatile. Putting in a built in HD-DVD drive would have provided that versatility.
I know it would only add to the cost, but in today's day and age, consumers are always thinking "I want more for the money that I've spent".
Ko_nami
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Psimonius said:
Like I said earlier, I expect prices (the console and the games themselves) to be high during the first year or two. This will lead to extremely slow sales and you know what happens when somethings not selling.
Let me put it this way:
Slow sales = Price drop
I believe the demand for the PS3 and its games will always be there.
I’ll have to admit that the risk is there with the Blu-Ray DVD (BD-Video) as there aren't that many homes in the UK (or around the world for that matter) that have HD-TVs so that you can truly appreciate the picture quality. Plus the fact that many consumers just aren't looking to switch from the DVD format and yeah, you can say it's a risk. But also remember that you can't exactly expect the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format to take off straight away like the DVD did. In my honest opinion, the public is at least 5 years away from switching over to a new video format. So in that sense, at least the PS3 (and to an extent the Xbox 360) is future-proof.
The major issue with the PS3 has always been with the price. If the PS3 was going to retail at £150, everyone would go out and buy one - no questions asked.
That's just how the market operates I'm afraid.
shankly is god
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Ko_nami said:Like I said earlier, I expect prices (the console and the games themselves) to be high during the first year or two. This will lead to extremely slow sales and you know what happens when somethings not selling.
Let me put it this way:
Slow sales = Price drop
I believe the demand for the PS3 and its games will always be there.
I’ll have to admit that the risk is there with the Blu-Ray DVD (BD-Video) as there aren't that many homes in the UK (or around the world for that matter) that have HD-TVs so that you can truly appreciate the picture quality. Plus the fact that many consumers just aren't looking to switch from the DVD format and yeah, you can say it's a risk. But also remember that you can't exactly expect the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format to take off straight away like the DVD did. In my honest opinion, the public is at least 5 years away from switching over to a new video format. So in that sense, at least the PS3 (and to an extent the Xbox 360) is future-proof.
The major issue with the PS3 has always been with the price. If the PS3 was going to retail at £150, everyone would go out and buy one - no questions asked.
That's just how the market operates I'm afraid.
i was (shamed to admit) happy when sony mentioned blu-ray cus i have been folowing it for years and they will come down in price ppl when they are more commercialy used. but when i also herd that the new dvdhd drive for 360 can run blu-ray i was happier. ps3 has less on board ram than xbox 360, the cpu's are the same on both consoles but on 360 they have 4 gpu's etc the only real difference is that ps3 has a stand alone specialy made graphics card wich in my view sucks cus a not tested b might be shit n c aparently renders less than 360. in my view why 360 is better is because its performance the same as ps3 but the accesories and comunity blows it out of the water. and the money is baloni if the ps3 was £10 i still wouldnt buy it as for me price is no issue its the actual experience that counts.
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Ko_nami said:
That would be OK if Blu-Ray would be the only new player on the market, but if HD-DVD is released cheaper and with pretty much the same quality, most people will just go for HD-DVD, and once they have made that step/decision, they will not be willing to change over again to Blu-Ray once it comes down in price. If the general public will go for HD-DVD, the general consensus will be that blu-ray flopped, it's overpriced and not worthy... so they will also avoid it once it drops in price.
It's all about marketing, and it's hard to market blu-ray when for the general public, HD-DVD will offer them pretty much the same thing, and perhaps for a lower price.
My guess is that HD-DVD will be the more popular format, simply because it's very simple for the general population to understand the term HD-DVD and what they can expect from it.
I dont have a need for a HD-DVD drive or a Blu-Ray drive for at least 2-3 years though. I figure DVD's are still good quality enough as along as I dont have a HD TV, so I'll make my next-gen console decision based on price and games. Both systems look promising games-wise, but PS3 will be too expensive for me, whereas I expect the 360 to come down in price withing 9 months orso... plus many of the first batch of games should be budget priced by then. So it's most likely that I'll be going for the 360.
But I wont buy it at the current price. 400 euro for a console is too much for me.
Anyway, back on-topic: I hope they fixed the through-pass and many other minor stuff that was wrong with PES5. It just totally sucks that you give a through pass with tons of space in front of the striker you're aiming for, and the guy in midfield sending the pass (who has a 90+ passing rate) just overhits it way too much. I feel that's just cheating by the CPU.
Also, they should have fixed the lobs, as they were great in PES4 and they're shit in PES5.
shankly is god
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Ko_nami said:
i read someware that fifa 07 is the 3rd of october and pes is somthing like 20th-29th of oct too