About training?

[charlie1983]

I've given up with the whole training people thing. Its getting really annoying now, I ended up editing a team and making a 'dream team' with all the players who have the highest overall scores:

Ibrahimovic
Messi
Ronaldo
Robben
Xavi
Xabi Alonso
Bale,
Thiago Silva
Puyol
Alves
Buffon

I then turned off player development so you no longer have to worry about training and players stats dont decline when they get older.

Where's the challenge in that?

 

[mdz369]

Where's the challenge in that?

Im just doing it for the achievements

 

[daiLyzee]

Are you all just clicking NEXT when it comes to moving the game on?

In that case, this tip will be very helpful.

Click the option SKIP TO CHOSEN DATE.

Now you can move the game along day by day and set different training types every day. If one area goes down, train on it the next day to get it back up. This works a lot better than training on the same thing for the whole week or leaving it on conditioning.

sorry, but this is bullshit. so it will take DAYS for only one season and its increase no better development.


my problem is, that allmost ALL players have a positive development (in the first season 4 - 9 points)
BUT my central defenders losing at all very much points, like palmieri started with 64 and has now ONLY 58 or 59.

the new training menu is totally crap!! :realmad::realmad::realmad:
thx for nothing konami

 

[abu97]

my palmieri is bloody decreasing along with shimizu. shimizu wen from 77 to 76 and palmieri from 70 to 65 and erikson from 75 to 72 and some other players. what am i doing wrong? should i stick to one specific training for a period of time?

Also there should be more types of communication from player to manager and manager to coach and manager to coach mode so you know exactly where you are at the moment apart from stuck on 'why are half my youngsters decreasing whilst +30's are increasing?' and being lost.

 

[daiLyzee]

ive played a half season only technique training. at the end everyone increases his overall-skill. unless my two central defenders.
also my goalkeeper increased, but only 2 oder 3 points

 

[kbon]

Players won't develop well if they don't play (sometimes no development at all, or even decreasing values)! And maybe they develop better after a good game than after a crappy one (like in BAL)?
After 1 season my Shimzu is 83, Palimieri 77. Defender's ranking depends a lot on fitness/strength, but i.e. Shimizu needs speed to increase. So your training depends on what you want your team to focus on. I train all areas the same amount and I'm happy ^^

 

[E.F.C.]

Ok, I just can't figure it out. I've played the ML for years and years now. I always play with the mighty Everton. When 2012 came out I was really glad to see that we had some top class youngsters in our team. For instance, take Barkley, 17 years old and 72 rating. I thought he would become a world class player. So far I only managed to play half a season of ML. However, Barkley's rating has gone down from 72 to 69...? I play him every game. Fellaini, 23 years has gone down 2 points, he's played almost every game. Rodwell, 19 years old went down 1 point, played every game. Saha 33 YEARS OLD, INCREASED BY 2 POINTS...!! while playing most of the games. I have no idea what the **** is going on here.. The main reason I'm playing the ML is the youth development, I played through 11 seasons on 2011 and loved the training system.

I switch my training every week. In the beginning of the ML I used to swith each day but found that to be much to time consuming.

 

[abu97]

kbon, what happens if i leave my training on condition as it doesn't affect anything else. what benefits from condition?

 

[kbon]

@E.F.C.
maybe you try another coach? The second one (same salary) puts more focus on youth development.

@abu97
as it says in the description, ther condition increases and it affects their mood (the colored arrows). It doesn't stop other developments, it just doesn't give them the little boost they'd get from other trainings. I think it's still important to train conditioning. Maybe 2-3 days before each game?

 

[charlie1983]

Has anybody bought a better coach?

 

[kbon]

Has anybody bought a better coach?

Yep, after 1st season. And I switched to the 2nd coach at the start (just as I mentioned above), maybe that's why my youngsters developed that fine.
It definetly increases a lot with better trainers. You can check that yourself, just unlock the "start ML with max budget" feature and buy best coach. You'll see the difference.

 

[Hisham]

What about learning a new special abilities (player index), Is that still possible in PES 2012? and what about learning new positions? I heard its possible but have any body actually did it?

 

[itsame]

Guys one thing ill mention in regards to training in BAL, the cpu will train your skills early in the week (sometimes rotate, sometimes not) and then use condition a day or two before the game. It makes sense to be honest, train early in the week then freshen up in the lead up to matchday

I haven't been back to play ML but ill give this a try next time i play

 

[Coxy101]

@abu97
as it says in the description, ther condition increases and it affects their mood (the colored arrows). It doesn't stop other developments, it just doesn't give them the little boost they'd get from other trainings. I think it's still important to train conditioning. Maybe 2-3 days before each game?

So just to clarify, if I leave them on conditioning training, the players should still improve slightly in all areas (assuming I employ a decent coach)? And therefore by the end of the season my players should have progressed generally in accordance with their potential, except without the additional boosts that could be obtained from the specialist training sessions?

I really cannot be bothered changing and rotating my training routine! This new addition is really not for me!

Thanks for all the help in this thread, really useful

 

[optimistic]

Use condition training only?

So just to clarify, if I leave them on conditioning training, the players should still improve slightly in all areas (assuming I employ a decent coach)? And therefore by the end of the season my players should have progressed generally in accordance with their potential, except without the additional boosts that could be obtained from the specialist training sessions?

Hi Coxy101, hi guys:

I have the similar question, if I leave my whole team on CONDITION
TRAINING for an entire season, will my players stats still improve slightly at all areas according to their potentials as well as my overall team strength(except for those old players like over 30 sth)? or some
players stats will decrease no matter what? please help...

My problem is when i rotate 4 categories on weekly bases, after clicking NEXT, the Advanced time on schedule sometimes will not jump from one week to the next untill next match straight away, it would stop in the middle of the week because something happened(Like someone wants to speak to you or someplayers can be signed) , then i thought one week has passed and i changed my training regime then messed up weekly rotation regime.
I just want to stick with CONDITION TRAINING ALL THE TIME, so all my
young players will progress and develop nicely, is it possible?

Please help, guys, thanks a lot

 

[kbon]

Yes, your players will still develop slightly. Just simulate a semi-season and you'll see. Need to notice though, that they develop better when you actually play with them than with simulation, so the result for the semi-season simulation might be worse (I tried it, and simulating a season increases the values really just little...depending on player's potential and your coach).
But why put it on conditioning? You have about 1 game on a weekly basis. Just rotate your training then (you're in the game menu anyways so you don't need to "stop" anything). Should be fine with that.

 

[optimistic]

Yes, your players will still develop slightly. Just simulate a semi-season and you'll see. Need to notice though, that they develop better when you actually play with them than with simulation, so the result for the semi-season simulation might be worse (I tried it, and simulating a season increases the values really just little...depending on player's potential and your coach).
But why put it on conditioning? You have about 1 game on a weekly basis. Just rotate your training then (you're in the game menu anyways so you don't need to "stop" anything). Should be fine with that.

Thank you very much for your answer,kbon

So i think ROTATING will develop my players better, but should i ever
use CONDITION in my training regime? when? maybe 1 or 2 days before
an upcoming fixture, by using ROTATION how much further more my players stats will increase comparing using just CONDITION, for example
SANTON 83 overall when joined, using CONDITION will get 84 overall at the end of 1 season, 87 overall if using ROTATION, do you mean this is what will happen by using ROTATION?

thanks

 

[Coxy101]

Yes, your players will still develop slightly. Just simulate a semi-season and you'll see. Need to notice though, that they develop better when you actually play with them than with simulation, so the result for the semi-season simulation might be worse (I tried it, and simulating a season increases the values really just little...depending on player's potential and your coach).
But why put it on conditioning? You have about 1 game on a weekly basis. Just rotate your training then (you're in the game menu anyways so you don't need to "stop" anything). Should be fine with that.

Thanks this is really useful.

My reason for wanting to just use conditioning is that whilst I am a massive fan of masterleague, I do not like to be messing around with training settings which sounds like it will take time and I will definately just forget at some point!

I also prefer to just watch the players develop at a consistent and fair level, in relation to players on the CPU teams. In in my previous masterleagues I have preferred to limit the amount of development I give my players to roughly the same level that the CPU can develop their own players, to try and retain a fair balance in the masterleague. Its just personal preference, I expect that everyone plays ML differently and for many the fun is developing an all-time great team (which really is the way Konami have usually designed it to be played).

 

[optimistic]

Thanks this is really useful.

My reason for wanting to just use conditioning is that whilst I am a massive fan of masterleague, I do not like to be messing around with training settings which sounds like it will take time and I will definately just forget at some point!

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Hi Coxy 101

I want to use CONDITIONING always too, if using ROTATION regime
will develop my players better, maybe i should try it, you should too,
You will not FORGET to adjust Training Regime because every week,
after the cutscene, the TOPIC will remind you to set your training before you go to ML menu, so you should not miss it.

GOOD LUCK to you and others with ML.

 

[kbon]

So i think ROTATING will develop my players better, but should i ever use CONDITION in my training regime? when? maybe 1 or 2 days before an upcoming fixture,

It has been discussed in this thread before, just take a look =)
a) "Conditioning" should not be left out, as it also trains condition (important aspect ^^).
b) The comparison to BAL has been mentioned here somewhere, where you always have a few days of "conditioning" before each match (makes sense to have "fresh" players at each match).
So as you said, conditioning few days before a match might be best solution. But nobody can say for sure, it's too soon and you'd have to do a lot of testing ^^

by using ROTATION how much further more my players stats will increase comparing using just CONDITION, for example SANTON 83 overall when joined, using CONDITION will get 84 overall at the end of 1 season, 87 overall if using ROTATION, do you mean this is what will happen by using ROTATION?

Yes, that's what I meant, only that the differences will be higher. It's simple math, just combine/add all the blue and red bars of the trainings and you'll end up with "little red bar" in each category. With pure conditioning, you wouldn't have that.
But that's just my theory (even if it sounds plausible), and I surely didn't play 2 whole seasons ML (one with rotation, another with conditioning) to proove it ^^
In simulation though, team values didn't increase that much withing 1 month with conditioning only. Rotating training each week increased each attribute by at least 1 though in that month!

I also prefer to just watch the players develop at a consistent and fair level, in relation to players on the CPU teams. In in my previous masterleagues I have preferred to limit the amount of development I give my players to roughly the same level that the CPU can develop their own players, to try and retain a fair balance in the masterleague. Its just personal preference, I expect that everyone plays ML differently and for many the fun is developing an all-time great team (which really is the way Konami have usually designed it to be played).

Ok, makes sense. Just try and find out if that suits for you =)
And as optimistic said, you won't forget training ^^ Also, if you don't change training (except "condition"), some players will complain after a while ^^