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[Cristiano07]

neva tried it. but the chelsea formation works gr8. wen u have the ball u have 3 strikers and wen u dont have the ball u have 5 in mid

 

[Morientes19]

never had 5 at the back its too defensive

 

[Cristiano07]

no neither have i

 

[Morientes19]

i tend to stick with 4-4-2 though mids dont score enough

 

[Barry]

The website mentions 'centrally positioned' midfielders. In PES language that would be CMF! Also they work from one sideline to the other. I guess Haan and Neeskens are CMF's having attacking arrows to the left AND the right then!
It's fun to tweak around and get 'totaalvoetbal' to work in PES! I think, however that it would be difficult to get it to work because you need eleven versatile players!
I also feel that a 4-2-4 formation in PES is bound to fail against skilled human opponents. But, on the other hand, if you keep possession of the ball, it might well work.
Rinus Michels, rest in peace

Yes, they are centrally positioned midfielders, but if I put them in the middle of the field, you probably would be confused on where to put them.
But yes, they cover the middle of the field with their attacking arrows placed to the left and the right.
But the real total football is almost impossible to play in neither PES nor FIFA nor This is Football.

 

[Han]

I have a problem I cannot solve, so I ask you formation-experts
More and more frequently you see those players at LIVE who play Arsenal, just because Henry is so fast. Last night I played Italy (I am practicing with this team because I join a Dutch tournament where we emulate the WK 2002 and I have Italy overthere), and I passed around to find space, tried a through pass, lost possession and then my opponent did what he did all the time: Long ball to Henry who was already passed my defence line and scored.
That happened over and over again, no matter if I putted the d-line back or gave my sideback an attacking arrow to the back. I lost 6-1, and four goals were made on the break
Below you see my formation and settings; hopefully you guys can help me to stop those darn counters!

 

[filthydani]

I have a problem I cannot solve, so I ask you formation-experts
More and more frequently you see those players at LIVE who play Arsenal, just because Henry is so fast. Last night I played Italy (I am practicing with this team because I join a Dutch tournament where we emulate the WK 2002 and I have Italy overthere), and I passed around to find space, tried a through pass, lost possession and then my opponent did what he did all the time: Long ball to Henry who was already passed my defence line and scored.
That happened over and over again, no matter if I putted the d-line back or gave my sideback an attacking arrow to the back. I lost 6-1, and four goals were made on the break
Below you see my formation and settings; hopefully you guys can help me to stop those darn counters!

I dont think its right to start the game with High defensive arrows for the DHs/Sbs/CBs unless you are ahead and want to defend, if you set the DHs to normal you will attack more cuz they start the attack bout 80%, so if they went in too far, it will be hard to pass the ball to the forwards...

And settin the CFs to low isnt good unless you are losing, It will be hard to pass the ball to them becouse they will be way to far and the oppenent can intercept the pass easily


For the back sides i think you need em for attacking to possess the ball more, i think you should put forward arrows for both of em

Counter attack should be set to B, C will make them stand in your own half and the oppnent will have the time to get all his players back and stop the counter attack easily, better change it to A but you migh fall to offside alot so B is the best, use A when you are losing


When defending counter attacks, you have to learn how to delay it and wait for back up, using R2 is very handy in situations like that, take a cpl of step back dont be so close to the player when defending counter attacks and watching your radar is very important

Those settings might help you to stop counter attacks,

Best thing to defend counter attack is using the offside trap, and its easy
Set Back line , Zone press , offside to A ,and counter to B or A
Use offside stratgy
And set the defensive arrows and offensive arrows to normal for the CBs, SBs
or you can set the SBs to Low

 

[Han]

Well, I tried d-line A in other matches against similar opponents (same style, same team: Arsenal), with the idea to put them off side, like you said and to make the space small between the lines. But that made it worse! They countered even simpeler because henry started his run on his own half and my d-line defended on the middle-line, so he wasn't off side....
You suggested to put my sidebacks at defending normal: Isn't it dangerous to do that, especially because Henry often comes from de left side. When my back is gone, he has free play to break!
Please can you help me out with my new questions? Or offer an alternative solution?
Is man-marking a good idea? I am not sure about it, because I think Henry is faster than any defender and manmarking may pull my defensive organisation out of position....?

 

[Barry]

Which teams do you have to face in that tournament?
The same Italy had to face during the WC 2002?

You should give the other team no chance of giving these through balls on Henry, so your midfield should be very strong, to tome down losing the ball on the midfield.

 

[Han]

Which teams do you have to face in that tournament?
The same Italy had to face during the WC 2002?

Still undecided...

 

[filthydani]

Well, I tried d-line A in other matches against similar opponents (same style, same team: Arsenal), with the idea to put them off side, like you said and to make the space small between the lines. But that made it worse! They countered even simpeler because henry started his run on his own half and my d-line defended on the middle-line, so he wasn't off side....
You suggested to put my sidebacks at defending normal: Isn't it dangerous to do that, especially because Henry often comes from de left side. When my back is gone, he has free play to break!
Please can you help me out with my new questions? Or offer an alternative solution?
Is man-marking a good idea? I am not sure about it, because I think Henry is faster than any defender and manmarking may pull my defensive organisation out of position....?

well if the offensive solution didnt work, then try defensive one

Try this,
Backline C
Zone Press B
Offside C
Counter B

Defense system set it to sweeper, High defensive arrows for CBs,SBs, and one DH, and set CBs/Sbs offensive arrows backwards..

I need to know the oppnent formation if possible

 

[Han]

Well, I want to use it against any team, so I have no particular formation from my opponent, but most of them play Arsenal
Who should be the sweeper? Nesta?

 

[filthydani]

its very hard to use one formation every time, the most balanced formation in my opinion is 4-2-2-2 (2 DH , 2 OM) good for defending (2 DH they dont attack much)and counter attack (2 OH is good cuz they rarely defend)

LH,RH defends more than OH, so in counter attack they might slow yours attack down, CM defends more than L/RH only good for defensive formation

 

[Han]

Yes, 4-2-2-2 is fine but for playing with width you rely a bit on your backs, so they have to be very good.

 

[filthydani]

Not really, controlling the balance bar manuely is that best thing you can do tacticly, it says in the manuel if the the balance bar at the maximum range the entire team will attack or defend regardless of individual attack mindedness settings, means if you r playin with SBs, and want to attack, they will go forward even if you set thier offensive arrows backwards,

There are there styles of playing with the balance bar, Defensive, balanced, offensive, it took me a while to master it and to under stand when to use this and not to use that, but i have to say you really need to understand the balance bar before concerning about the individual settings cuz its much more important and effective than the individual settings

 

[Han]

Not really, controlling the balance bar manuely is that best thing you can do tacticly, it says in the manuel if the the balance bar at the maximum range the entire team will attack or defend regardless of individual attack mindedness settings, means if you r playin with SBs, and want to attack, they will go forward even if you set thier offensive arrows backwards,

There are there styles of playing with the balance bar, Defensive, balanced, offensive, it took me a while to master it and to under stand when to use this and not to use that, but i have to say you really need to understand the balance bar before concerning about the individual settings cuz its much more important and effective than the individual settings

I am not sure if I know what you are talking about: I have a Dutch manual and everything is called different. You mean the bar under the players name, which you can increase or decrease using L2+L1 or L2+R1?

 

[filthydani]

YUP, this is more important than the radar it self

 

[Original?]

Go Italian on them and foul the buggery out of Henry?

Alternatively when playing against him use a sweeper, Nesta would fill this role excellently as suggested earlier.

BTW I play as Italy alot on Live, I find the standard Italy formations works excellently with slight modifications.

- - - - - - - Buffon - - - - - - - - -
- - - - Nesta - - Cannavarro - - - -
- Ferrari - - - - - - - - Zambrotta -
- - - - - - - - Zanetti - - - - - - - -
- - - - Pirlo - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Fiore - - - - - - - - - - Totti - - -
- - - - - - Del Piero - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - Vieri - - - - - - - -

It works for me.

 

[forzamilan]

this is a very good post... thanks for all the useful tips, good too see people actually get into the game and use the features. i know too many ppl who just go straight to playing without touching the formations or anything... its extremely annoying and repetitive. always a 1 - 0 game ... *yawn*

 

[Teekay]

Go Italian on them and foul the buggery out of Henry?

Alternatively when playing against him use a sweeper, Nesta would fill this role excellently as suggested earlier.

BTW I play as Italy alot on Live, I find the standard Italy formations works excellently with slight modifications.

- - - - - - - Buffon - - - - - - - - -
- - - - Nesta - - Cannavarro - - - -
- Ferrari - - - - - - - - Zambrotta -
- - - - - - - - Zanetti - - - - - - - -
- - - - Pirlo - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Fiore - - - - - - - - - - Totti - - -
- - - - - - Del Piero - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - Vieri - - - - - - - -

It works for me.

I like to put Cassano up front, as he's faster than Vieri, but it depends on the way you play.