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Pro P.I.M.P

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Thakz 4 ure great formations jmz! If u getta chance cude u plz post da best formations u can get 4 inter & real madrid?
Also cude u plz post the correct names for ure superstar 2-6-2 formation? eg. cruyff=cunaim
 

ka13

Registered User
yes..yes..i also desperately need your view of formation for real madrid..they are my faaaavvvvooooouuuuurrrrriiiittttteeee club but i am not getting the same good results in pes4 as i was getting in pes3 when playing with them..i also think about changing the club and i dont want to do that..but if my results continue being like this..i will be forced to do it and i really dont want to..
 

Teacher

Registered User
Hi jMz,

Finally I get to post something. I'm one of those viewers... :cool:
I only post when I see something important and worth replying on. I started out long ago with WE6FE. After that PES3 and then on to WE7I and WE8. Because of the slowdown I play PES4 now and enjoying it very much!
With PES3, WE7I and PES4 I saw your 3-4-3 formation (you know, the first formation you posted on this thread! :) ) and played with it ever since.
BUT, I'm getting crushed TOO much now by my mates. I don't like this! I like playing down the wings and me and my mates only play with countries not with club teams. I always played with Spain. But IMHO they're not that good anymore in PES4. We also keep on changing players that quit national teams and so on. That why I also don't play with The Netherlands anymore. No Stam, no De Boer, no Overmars! I've tried Italy and Argentina and I don't like it. They play with Czech Republic, Brazil and France.
I'm getting to the point now...!
I've discovered Uruguay! I've tried them with the 3-4-3 and also with the new classic Brazil's 2-6-2! (Great work, though, and I like the new template a lot!) In both cases they hurt me, man!
Do you think, jMz, you could give any formation advice on the Uruguayan team? I myself think they can play with a LWF and a RWF, because they have Reguiero and Chevanton, with Forlan as a striker and Recoba as OMF! I turn to you because your formation is getting me in trouble now! It has taken two years for my mates to get there! Take that as a compliment for your work, jMz, OK! Thanks a lot in advance! Hope to hear from you soon!
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
Alreet lads, nice to see the thread keeps trundling along.
This weekend I splashed out on a new slimline PS2 (what a fuck on by the way, sold out nearly everywhere) so most of my free time has been spent on PES4, as you can imagine. I do have Real, Inter and many other teams on the cards waiting to get the work over, but I can't seem to pry myself away from my ML teams (3, count em!) to sit at the PC and knock the pictures up. I promise I will get them done for you lads, but I don't know when. I might sit with Madrid for an hour or two tonight and work something up. Yes, I actually have Pro 4 in my house now and I don't have to rely on going to my mates to play it. The wait was worth it though, my new PS2 is gorgeous.

Teacher, I've never really looked into Uruguay but I'll try them out soon.

At the weekend I was beaten with my 2-6-2 so I've decided to try something new. I've got 3-5-2 as default, 4-2-2-2 as my Form A, and the 2-6-2 on Form B. They fit together rather nicely with a well thought out ML team, and I will show you in more detail when the diagram gets finished (half way done)...

So, my checklist for now is...
Real Madrid
Inter Milan
Chelsea (Nearly done, working on a Premiership season now)
Uruguay

Watch this space....
 

Teacher

Registered User
Alright, cheers, thanks a lot! I'll wait and see...

I think I know what you mean with the dangerous 2-6-2 formation. I beat my mate with Croatia using the 2-6-2: 4-1! He played with Czech Republic! But I also got crushed playing with Uruguay, using the 2-6-2, by my other mate. He played with England. It's a tough call...!
 

ka13

Registered User
cant wait REAL MADRID formation..I used to play 5-1-2-2 and my second formation was 3-3-2-2..it is good..but i think that JMZ has somethingt better in his mind..
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
ka13 said:
cant wait REAL MADRID formation..I used to play 5-1-2-2 and my second formation was 3-3-2-2..it is good..but i think that JMZ has somethingt better in his mind..
I can't find many faults with the default Real Madrid formation. I had about five games last night with it, and I stuffed most of the top teams on 6 star (15mins, all orange forms). I leaked a few goals, but that's to be expected with Real Madrid. Scored a belter with Helguera from about 35 yds out too, dropped off a corner and he just whacked it into the top corner.
 

Lorenzinho

Registered User
For Juve, i find that a good ol' 3-4-3 helps lubricate the works. 3 CF's instead of 1 CF and 2 WF's. You'll end up scoring bucket loads of goals...
 

ka13

Registered User
yes..but the problem is concieving goals..it is good if u score first..then there is no problem..but totally different thing is when u get it first and than u have to comeback..i think that 4 at the back is not the good option..lots of through balls go through it..
 

Kewell[AUS]

Registered User
For the M.T.

Okay, Jmz "Master of Tactics" - What is your verdict of this formation. I have just thrown it together for my first ML team. In essence i play very deffinsivly on the counter.

With a Wall of 3 defenders and 3 dmfs, sitting infront of the Box. It's pretty hard to breakthrough. Obviously the weakness of 3 backs is the vulnerablity on the wings, so the formation does require user intervention. If there is a break down the wing, i'll grab my DMF for that side and 70% of the time its possible to slide in and get the ball either into touch, of course the other 30% of the time you can either get beaten or the winger will hold it up making it hard to get a slide in. So i will be holding [] this whole time, so the CB for that side will also come accross as backup.

After getting the ball off the oppositon, thats where the fun begins. First option is the long ball, if either winger is open then obviously thats where the ball goes for the counter and this is quite often the case, then ill look for the cross and there will be 2 players running in with the opposite winger attacking into the goal as well as the CF. Otherwise i play it to the CF as a target and get him to play it back to the wings or the OMF.

Other option is short passing, getting it to the OMF to either run at the defense or play a throughball.



That's how Formation A plays, and usually as soon as i go up a goal, considering its not too early in a match - i'll convert to Formation B. Which essentially plays going forwards as Formation A does but with a bit more protection at the back especially on the side - it could convert into a 5-4-1 if it was a little deeper but ive found no need for that.

Its a simple but effective formation, and the first one i've ever used with just 3 defenders.

By the way, if the opposition plays with a sweeper ill get my CF to mark him. Seems weird, but it works well when playing in through balls and long balls.
 

Jordan74

Registered User
jMz said:
At the weekend I was beaten with my 2-6-2 so I've decided to try something new. I've got 3-5-2 as default, 4-2-2-2 as my Form A, and the 2-6-2 on Form B. They fit together rather nicely with a well thought out ML team, and I will show you in more detail when the diagram gets finished (half way done)...


jMz: If you play against your mates with your ML team. Do the younger players have the imrpoved stats form training and games?


Thank for all the tactics !! Doing a great job
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
Yeah I like that Kewell. I don't like to play so negatively/defensively myself, but I can see its advantages. It looks very strong.

Jordan74, I don't have any youth players in my team yet (apart from the classics, who start at 17), and I think my mates are only a few seasons in so I don't know. I haven't seen any yet. A way to check is load your MLteam up in exhibition and just check out his stats. You'll know that way. The classic players revert to what they are in match mode (default), which is good because they start in ML with lowered stats and you have to build them up. Does that make sense?

I had a good weekend on PES with the lads, I got beat a few times last weekend, but this time I was unbeaten all weekend. The highlight of the session was a 5-4 victory against my best mate. Both with our superstar ML teams. He was 2-0 up after 20 mins, I fought back to 2-2, then snatched the lead at 3-2, then he pulled it back to 4-3, then I got a last minute equaliser, and scored the golden goal after about 40 passes from my kick off. Fabulous game.
 

Mussav

Legendry Member
Kewell[AUS] said:
Okay, Jmz "Master of Tactics" - What is your verdict of this formation. I have just thrown it together for my first ML team. In essence i play very deffinsivly on the counter.

With a Wall of 3 defenders and 3 dmfs, sitting infront of the Box. It's pretty hard to breakthrough. Obviously the weakness of 3 backs is the vulnerablity on the wings, so the formation does require user intervention. If there is a break down the wing, i'll grab my DMF for that side and 70% of the time its possible to slide in and get the ball either into touch, of course the other 30% of the time you can either get beaten or the winger will hold it up making it hard to get a slide in. So i will be holding [] this whole time, so the CB for that side will also come accross as backup.

After getting the ball off the oppositon, thats where the fun begins. First option is the long ball, if either winger is open then obviously thats where the ball goes for the counter and this is quite often the case, then ill look for the cross and there will be 2 players running in with the opposite winger attacking into the goal as well as the CF. Otherwise i play it to the CF as a target and get him to play it back to the wings or the OMF.

Other option is short passing, getting it to the OMF to either run at the defense or play a throughball.



That's how Formation A plays, and usually as soon as i go up a goal, considering its not too early in a match - i'll convert to Formation B. Which essentially plays going forwards as Formation A does but with a bit more protection at the back especially on the side - it could convert into a 5-4-1 if it was a little deeper but ive found no need for that.

Its a simple but effective formation, and the first one i've ever used with just 3 defenders.

By the way, if the opposition plays with a sweeper ill get my CF to mark him. Seems weird, but it works well when playing in through balls and long balls.

thanks Kewell for the Formation
i did the B Formation
i played 5 matchs and i didnt lose
but all my wins are 1-0 or 2-0
thats not i want

before that yes i lose or win 4-3 3-2
but at least i scored from 3 to 4 goals at one match
so can you do something for this problem

Please

and thanks for JMZ For this usefull thraed
 

jMz

I beg your pardon?
It's a balancing act between defence and attack. Find out what you are best at then focus your players towards your weaker skill.
ie. If you are good at defending, throw more players forward and vice versa.
Do you have a prefered set up Mussav? Like 4-4-2, 3-5-2 or whatever?
 

Kewell[AUS]

Registered User
jMz said:
The Christmas tree formation might be appropriate today...

How bout the Christmas Pudding?

Mussav: I know what you mean about wanting to score more goals, it just depends on your style of play. For myself there is nothing better than winning 1 - 0, to me thats the perfect result.

But having said that it's deffinatly possible to score goals with those Formations. For Example if you use Formation A for the whole match (as opposed to switching to B after your 1 - 0 up) and have the counter-attack button going i have had wins up to 5-6 - 0. It is however not an easy formation to use, alot of it depends on how attacking the other team in and if you can execute alot of intricate passes. The bottom line is it a very defensive formation and some opposition teams can leave you being heavily outnumbered when you are in attack.
 

Mike69

Registered User
Hi, JMz just wondering if you could take a look at my formation and give me any tips to make it better.

Since my XBL subscription ended decided that i would finish the tactics i started for the Man Utd team and my Master League team. Well here it is:



(dont have photoshop on my laptop so used powerpoint :) )

Its based on the Argentina tactics

Like you, i like to play attractive and attacking football and i like to use the wings alot to as you can see from the tactics. Also play counter attacking football to hence the A for Counter Attack.

the 2nd tactic is for the times when im one nil up with only about 10-15 minutes left.

any feedback is welcome from anyone especially the tactics king jMz
 
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