StringerBell
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Most people here who like pes 2012 ,haven't even played it.
Well technically speaking neither have you and when I play the demo later on today its still not the finished product. The 2nd demo is the game breaker.
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Most people here who like pes 2012 ,haven't even played it.
A question for those that like the demo. Did you also like PES 2011?
I'm not too impressed with the demo either. The player movements seem awkward and inorganic. Some of the animations still are no where near on par with fifa (e.g. goalkeepers, etc.) which affects the robotic feel of the players and smoothness of gameplay. Maybe its just me, but I also don't feel 360 degree dribbling. It seems like some degrees of freedom are cut out. The 360 degree passing is nice, but fifa's manual system provides the same thing. Most of my gripes I had with PES 11, too.
I really like the off-the-ball control on set pieces and the new A.I. They introduce new elements of strategy to the game.
I know a lot of people say the animations in fifa are superficial, but I really think they contribute to the realism and dynamism of gameplay. As usual, however, I will wait for both the final FIFA 12 and PES 12 demos to come out before making a final verdict.
Well, my impression is that it feels more like ice hockey then football.
Players move like they have rockets in their asses, and ball just sticks to players legs like its glued, recieving the ball shouldnt be that easy.
The ball just shouldnt be flying around that fast , come on, i cant see how anyone finds that realistic.
Overall, pes 2011 is a class above so far, hope for a better final version.
Although the game looks promising this year, it is not hard to realize that the animations have not changed by much over the last 4 years.
Dribbling still needs fixing where the ball seems to magnetized to the players foot and path of dribbling.
here is a vid of 2010 that resembles 2012 gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXm1ub7VDhg
here is a vid of 2009 that also resembles 2012 gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul_aHLoGlhQ
The animations are not good. That's true, But at least this year, pes gets better animation linking and the transitions between 2 animations is finally smooth.
The close control is abit too good. Yes I admit that.
But some people just can't defend in pes 12. That's for sure.
You can't pressure like crazy and since there's no catch up bug, it is even harder to pressure like a maniac.
So you have to use the AI pressure wisely, and use the jockey systems to close down the CPU's spaces. Time the tackles too.
I am no expert at defending yet, but I am getting better game after game.
Oh and to master this game, I had to play it at regular, just to learn the tricks and the defending. When I feel that my defending and attacking have improved, I'll go on another level.
Reminded me of pes 6 tbh. People are forgetting that pes 6 had that close control and those perfectly timed tackles that pes 12 has.
Overall I am begining to like the demo more and more I think. So any of you finding it difficult, play on regular, learn the defending options and attacking one too, then play it on another level.
It does work.
BTW, THIS DEMO FEEL VERY UNFINISHED. I hope the 2nd demo feels better.
1 more thing. DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AI cheating. I will complain myself probably too, BUT, an AI can never outsmart a human because humans program them, so we can outsmart them. The only way that the AI can beat you is to cheat. It's a matter of how well they hide it.
the movement off the ball on the attack has really improved, the defenders will also track back the attack player running and try to follow it, still sometimes I felt like the defender should have closed down more quickly since the attack player was standing in front of the box, but, hey, it also happens on real life football.
A chess is a 100% mind game with a set of rules to follow. So it's easy to make the AI floow them and always make the best move ahead.As for AI CHEATING.... I disagree with you, try playing a CHESS computer game against the computer on the most difficult level, I guarantee you that if you are not an excellent Chess player you could easily be outwitted by a computer, yet the computer CANNOT actually cheat
A chess is a 100% mind game with a set of rules to follow. So it's easy to make the AI floow them and always make the best move ahead.
A football game works nothing like that. A football game is more diverse sicne you have more teams, more players, more individuality, formations, substitutions, etc.. But that's not the point. The point it that the AI is programmed by a human, so we can always outsmart the AI in games (not these mind games because as I said, those work with a set of rules so the AI can easily choose the best move to pull off everytime it's his turn).
I know it can cheat less in football games though, but we will never get that AI where it never cheats in football games. WHY? Because it's programed by humans themselves, so we can always outthink them.
I agree however that pes and fifa follow an old formula. Thing is, that they both haven't perfected it yet, so they cannot move on.
The games need more user input.
The fact is whether you can accept it or not, that with the correct system the computer could be intelligent enough to choose instead of cheat: press the short passing button, the through pass button, the shooting button, before the opponent has his first touch on the ball.
how big is the demo, btw?
Yeah so what? After some time we still get used to his tricks and we can outplay the AI before he even tries to trick us. Thing is, that I ALREADY ADMITTED THAT IT CAN CHEAT LESS. But no football game will exist that will feature an AI that can outsmart humans in every way. Why? Because it was humans who gave the AI it's intelligence, so there's only so much it can do. In the end, we can still do better no matter what.