Have you not heard the rumour yet? (Yes you have)

[shaun7]

Both games will copy from each other as both games have something good and something bad so no big deal and no need to argue.
BTW the tester on this site was one of the few who complaied about pes 10 because at wenb, they said that considering it was pes 09 with few things implemented, it was already much better.

 

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Sorry I dont want to weed through Tech_Spills angry rants to list what PES is borrowing from FIFA, any one know, what is real argument is?

 

[proevofan88]

1) I never said how long id be off for.

2) Answer one more question before you do your 'Jilted lover/bunny boiler' act on someone else.

ISS PRO EVO all the way to PES 6, were the best football games of that time, I know this because unlike you, I was playing them when they came out, I even managed to get copies of some of these games, before release.

But, AT THE MOMENT

If fifa has got it so wrong, why is it that pes now seeks to Emulate fifa?

Look at all the possible major improvement in pes 2010, most of the are fifa innovations.

Tactics sliders- Originated in FIFA
360 movement-Originated in FIFA
Powerbar passing- In fifa before PES (as far as I know)
Motion capture- Fifa had that ages ago
Creating feedback forums for fans- Fifa had that ages ago


Now im not slaggin off pes for copying fifa, and im not saying fifa hasnt copied pes, im not even talking about who can do the ideas better.

but im talking about RIGHT NOW.

If fifa has it so wrong, why are PES emulating fifa ideas rather than ignoring them?

Thats what you dont get, if fifa was way off, PES would be looking to distance itself from all these ideas fifa are coming up with, not emulate them.

ON N64,PS1, PS2, PES was the undisputed best, right now, its not anymore, things change, Fifa has caught up, Im not going to pretend otherwise out of some stuipid loyalty towards pes, its up to PES to come back and sort itself out.

Bye.

I really hope that BYE at the end means you will leave for good and go to a FIFA forum and tell them how to make it better? PLEASE? Am I right?

Anyway...

360 movement ORIGINATED in FIFA? Which one? I played the latest FIFA ( which is 09 and it didnt have 360 ) If we are talking about FIFA10 than we can also bring PES2010 into the discussion you know...

I mean how do YOU know that EA made 360? What if KONAMI was working on it as well? I mean for real, how do you now SO much about what FIFA is doing?

TACTICS? You must be one of the idiots who EA fooled into thinking that those SLIDERS actually work....poor guy

MOTION CAPTURE? Ok well then KONAMI is copying NBA 2k, NHL, MADDEN, Assasins Creed, and many other games...not JUST your beloved FIFA...

In case you dont get it...MOTION CAPTURE was inevitable.

You still havent answered my question really...

Why are you here? This is a PES forum and according to you: PES IS DEAD...its outdated and not innovative...

****From here on I would suggest people IGNORE TECHs posts. When he stops eating shit and realizes that not only was PES 2009 flawed but FIFA as well and actually gives some constructive criticism we could mind him *****

Seriously, this guy just wants ATTENTION and hes getting it. We ignore him and he will leave or change.

I Promise you.

 

[shankly is god]

Lol, you know what, its good entertainment, i dont mind anyone disagreeing with me, as long as they know i will be addressing them if they address me. simple as.

I tell you what.

I'll pop off for a while and lets see if anyone comes up with a sensible argument.

My point today is the following.

Just like fifa emulated pes when pes was the best game by far.

Now pes2010 is emulating ideas which started in fifa.

I believe this proves that whilst fifa has flaws, it must be doing something right.

And i'd still like to know what people think is going to be the big suprise next week.

discuss.

yea im not saying your off the mark and you should go away..because to be honest you do come up with valuable points...im just saying when someone does address your points baring in mind this is a pes orientated forum I for one feel that you are looking at every opportunity to badmouth the video game....

its fair to say you have felt let down by konami over past pes games but this one is not out yet and from what i gather your facts and opinions are from what you have read on other forums.. now the point you make hinting at konami copying pes is kinda mute because they are allowed to use similar ideas but its how the game implements them....the reason I am favoring pes this year is because konami has made or claim to have made a massive effort to get it back to the passion we all know from pes 5 days....

for me I hope pes will become the passion it once was rather than just another arcade port...

 

[Luis_Garcia]

Big hugs?

 

[ehsancgfx]

The Buzzzz word ................ Its Euphoria engine guys !!!!!! 360 is nothing compared to It !With euphoria, animations are not canned but are generated on-the-fly by the hardware's processors as the game is played. Every tackle is your tackle, every haymaker is your haymaker.

 

[Rob21C_UK]

Meh

 

[Rob21C_UK]

Hope it is, the only thing I can see about it is a Wikipedia article on euphoria which states that Konami announced in March that PES2010 was going to use the Euphoria engine. And as we know that's not a reliable source.

Sorry for the double post, was meant to be an edit of above.

 

[byrnie05]

I hope FIFA's innovations this year aren't as basic as their 'Become a Pro' mode. Seriously, they copy something that not only Winning Eleven has had for years, but Namco had tried with Libero Grande/Love Football and give you four measly seasons.

What a crock.

 

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I really hope that BYE at the end means you will leave for good and go to a FIFA forum and tell them how to make it better? PLEASE? Am I right?

Anyway...

360 movement ORIGINATED in FIFA? Which one? I played the latest FIFA ( which is 09 and it didnt have 360 ) If we are talking about FIFA10 than we can also bring PES2010 into the discussion you know...

I mean how do YOU know that EA made 360? What if KONAMI was working on it as well? I mean for real, how do you now SO much about what FIFA is doing?

TACTICS? You must be one of the idiots who EA fooled into thinking that those SLIDERS actually work....poor guy

MOTION CAPTURE? Ok well then KONAMI is copying NBA 2k, NHL, MADDEN, Assasins Creed, and many other games...not JUST your beloved FIFA...

In case you dont get it...MOTION CAPTURE was inevitable.

You still havent answered my question really...

Why are you here? This is a PES forum and according to you: PES IS DEAD...its outdated and not innovative...

****From here on I would suggest people IGNORE TECHs posts. When he stops eating shit and realizes that not only was PES 2009 flawed but FIFA as well and actually gives some constructive criticism we could mind him *****

Seriously, this guy just wants ATTENTION and hes getting it. We ignore him and he will leave or change.

I Promise you.

If 360 is his argument then he is a bigger fool than I thought, neither game being out yet!

the 50% build issue, as FIFA10 is a refined version of 09 then it would obviously be better at that point.

Power bar, for a guy that claims to know some shit, actually knows shit, I recall Match Day II on the C64 more than 20 years ago aving a power bar.

He obviously fancies PES this year or he wouldn't spend so much time in a PES forum.

 

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Both games have their good and bad points, but for christ sake get a grip, nobody knows what game will be better until we actually play it.

I dont mind people saying Fifas good points. As long as they can take the bad points that Fifa has. We accept PES 2009 has flaws but Fifa fans have to understand that their game is not flawless.

But this is a PES forum we all hope that PES 2010 will bring PES back to its former glory, which I and all the fans on this FORUM WHICH IS FOR PES FANS think this will happen.

BUT THIS IS A PES FORUM!!

 

[Rob21C_UK]

The power bar on Match Day II is different to the was PES and FIFA use and wasn't controlled by you. It simply went from power 0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1.... changing every second or so, and if you pressed fire (only 1 button) the pass/shot would be power 2 if the bar was at point 2 in the sequence. It was however, the first powerbar in a football game.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I hope FIFA's innovations this year aren't as basic as their 'Become a Pro' mode. Seriously, they copy something that not only Winning Eleven has had for years, but Namco had tried with Libero Grande/Love Football and give you four measly seasons.

What a crock.

Become a pro is horrible, seriously lol.

And yes iss 2000 had it long before fifa.

 

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Become a pro is horrible, seriously lol.

And yes iss 2000 had it long before fifa.

Become A Legend is far, far better.

 

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The power bar on Match Day II is different to the was PES and FIFA use and wasn't controlled by you. It simply went from power 0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1.... changing every second or so, and if you pressed fire (only 1 button) the pass/shot would be power 2 if the bar was at point 2 in the sequence. It was however, the first powerbar in a football game.

Yes you are right mate, it was all about timing, and it not crashing, on my machine anyway!

Was the 360 movement Actua Soccer?

 

[Persona]

I really hope that BYE at the end means you will leave for good and go to a FIFA forum and tell them how to make it better? PLEASE? Am I right?

Anyway...

360 movement ORIGINATED in FIFA? Which one? I played the latest FIFA ( which is 09 and it didnt have 360 ) If we are talking about FIFA10 than we can also bring PES2010 into the discussion you know...

I mean how do YOU know that EA made 360? What if KONAMI was working on it as well? I mean for real, how do you now SO much about what FIFA is doing?

TACTICS? You must be one of the idiots who EA fooled into thinking that those SLIDERS actually work....poor guy

MOTION CAPTURE? Ok well then KONAMI is copying NBA 2k, NHL, MADDEN, Assasins Creed, and many other games...not JUST your beloved FIFA...

In case you dont get it...MOTION CAPTURE was inevitable.

You still havent answered my question really...

Why are you here? This is a PES forum and according to you: PES IS DEAD...its outdated and not innovative...

****From here on I would suggest people IGNORE TECHs posts. When he stops eating shit and realizes that not only was PES 2009 flawed but FIFA as well and actually gives some constructive criticism we could mind him *****

Seriously, this guy just wants ATTENTION and hes getting it. We ignore him and he will leave or change.

I Promise you.

No, actually. I do think Tech_Skill has some very valid arguments (although repeated time and time again) but only for a General Football Gamings Forum. This thread is supposed to be based and orientated about PES 2010? When Tech comes in here and KNOWING that we are most likely PES fanatics who has a distaste for FIFA, he still comes in here and self-promotes it repeatedly and calling us abusive petty names (which should result in a ban by now).

He should grow up and go home.

 

[Rob21C_UK]

Yes you are right mate, it was all about timing, and it not crashing, on my machine anyway!

Was the 360 movement Actua Soccer?

I played it on the Spectrum and never had that problem, hehe.

Yes, Actua Soccer 3 had 360 movement (or a smoothed out 16/32 way movement) as you can see on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6LYRj3a9zw

As the game was out back in 1998 I can't recall how it played on a gamepad analogue stick but on a keyboard/joystick it would have interpolated the movement between the 8 way directions.

Update: I've managed to download Actua Soccer 3 as its now free and played it on a PC with a Playstation 2 controller and the 360 is great, works perfect with the analogue stick. Can legally download it from here: http://rapidshare.com/files/205211990/actua_soccer_3.rar

Would love to know how these guys would do a footy sim now

 

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I played it on the Spectrum and never had that problem, hehe.

Yes, Actua Soccer 3 had 360 movement (or a smoothed out 16/32 way movement) as you can see on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6LYRj3a9zw

As the game was out back in 1998 I can't recall how it played on a gamepad analogue stick but on a keyboard/joystick it would have interpolated the movement between the 8 way directions.

Update: I've managed to download Actua Soccer 3 as its now free and played it on a PC with a Playstation 2 controller and the 360 is great, works perfect with the analogue stick. Can legally download it from here: http://rapidshare.com/files/205211990/actua_soccer_3.rar

Would love to know how these guys would do a footy sim now

I seem to remember that up on the stick moved you in which ever direction you was facing, left and right turned you round.

There was some good games back in the day!

Nice find BTW

 

[Rob21C_UK]

I seem to remember that up on the stick moved you in which ever direction you was facing, left and right turned you round.

There was some good games back in the day!

Nice find BTW

Thats what I thought too but if you play it on a joypad, its proper 360 movement ( maybe 16/32 way movement, it feels 360 ).

 

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Thats what I thought too but if you play it on a joypad, its proper 360 movement ( maybe 16/32 way movement, it feels 360 ).

In the AS3 the whole perspective is different, AS seemed to be more first person and I am sure it was up to go forward, that said it was some time ago.......the memory fades.