I'm afraid to say..

[shaun7]

See, everyone mentiones how good the keepers are at fifa.
You know what I think?
I think they're overrated. Really overrated.
Only Buffon in 2006 could ever save some shots that the fifa goalkeepers save and in fifa every AI goaler saves them.
It's horrible. A cheap way to make 1vs1's harder. A really cheap way.
That's not balancing the game, THAT'S COVERING THE FLAWS OF THE GAME.
A good way to balance it out is to make keepers save less, but add more individuality to both the keeper and the player.
That way, not every player will make good 1vs1 shots (since not every player can place 1vs1's) and not every keeper will save like Buffon.
But fifa's goalkeepers are cheap, annoying and OVERRATED.
If they took fifa 09's keepers and added individuality to the player and better shots, then fifa would have been insanely good this year.
But unfortunately it's not the case.
They covered their flaws with other flaws that some think it's better. BUT IT'S NOT.

However I do agree that fifa's shooting this year is good and so are the animations. They're really good actually.

 

[bestpesever]

"If EA just tone down the pressureing of the ball they have this competition in the bag for years to come"

i dont think so.they need to change defenders.shooting tackling play one on one ball physics.etc


konami is so close to be there..polish,balance some moves,player vs player.wake sometimes sleep defenders not overpower attacker defender.cursor change etc..make harder and better cpu possesion OF AND DEF.people who saay this is shity game are dumb.

 

[bestpesever]

After PES5, it was downhill, Konami and EA Sports are both doing the same things, it is truly embarrassing at this point

so u need say how to make this version perfect..not game is shity-change everything,konami surprise me?what u positive say about this game??

i dont want to say 2014-2015..pes 11 waz best pes ever like now people say about 5-6.

 

[S-D-P]

I really try to bite my lip with stuff like this as pes v fifa comparisons are tedious but if you think the goalkeepers in fifa 11 are realistic you know fuck all about football, their stats DO NOT MATTER on legendary. I have played fifa for the past three years and admit to being impressed by its manual play and pretty animations, underneath all this is a soulless pile of shit with offline modes that border on insulting, EA are so scared to upset the casuals they even made my favourite part of fifa(manual passing) more assisted. Last thing I will say on the matter:w00t

 

[Amateur]

See, everyone mentiones how good the keepers are at fifa.
You know what I think?
I think they're overrated. Really overrated.
Only Buffon in 2006 could ever save some shots that the fifa goalkeepers save and in fifa every AI goaler saves them.
It's horrible. A cheap way to make 1vs1's harder. A really cheap way.
That's not balancing the game, THAT'S COVERING THE FLAWS OF THE GAME.
A good way to balance it out is to make keepers save less, but add more individuality to both the keeper and the player.
That way, not every player will make good 1vs1 shots (since not every player can place 1vs1's) and not every keeper will save like Buffon.
But fifa's goalkeepers are cheap, annoying and OVERRATED.
If they took fifa 09's keepers and added individuality to the player and better shots, then fifa would have been insanely good this year.
But unfortunately it's not the case.
They covered their flaws with other flaws that some think it's better. BUT IT'S NOT.

However I do agree that fifa's shooting this year is good and so are the animations. They're really good actually.

That's an interesting read, it's also true.

The difference in feel, between PES and FIFA, is determined by how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide the flaws: FIFA11, one on one against the goalkeeper all the time; PES11, defenders catching up with you all the time.

Differences which are easy to notice, the reason for why we have these "flaws" is due to the same problem; the difference in feel is determined by how you hide or disguise the core flaws.

I have yet to experience a Football Sim where you can use the STATS to your advantage, as opposed to the STATS functioning automatically; I think this is because of how the left analogue stick functions.... it functions in a way that greatly limits the amount of animations and precision which can be implemented into the left analogue stick.

Therefore, the STATS need to work automatically, because you cannot take a player like Juan Roman Riquelme, and give him more stationary dribbling animations; therefore, enabling Riquelme with the rare ability of dribbling without running.... whereas other players would not have that unique ability, or in other words, would not have the animations and precision required for stationary dribbling.

With PES11, you get pre-determined and repetitive dribbling tricks, these dribbling tricks are attached to the right analogue stick: it is an automatic or pre-determined system because you cannot measure the direction nor the distance of the dribbling tricks....

For instance, the rainbow-flick, you can rainbow-flick the length of the pitch by simply tapping the right analogue stick in one direction: it does not require any measuring because it works automatically, without properly using the range of movement of the right analogue stick.

What I think will be necessary at some point, is that the left analogue stick will need to function differently; if the left analogue stick continues working the same way, the game will be forever scripted.

To date, the STATS work by themselves, automatically, because of how the left analogue stick functions; the left analogue stick is the measurement of all things, regarding PES or FIFA; therefore if the mentioned button works automatically, the STATS which are attached to the left analogue stick will also work automatically.

Dribbling: you can cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button; in other words, it is impossible to affect the direction in which you dribble with the ball, without affecting the direction in which you run with the ball.

Which in terms of passing the ball, is the equivalent of saying that, it is impossible to affect the power of the pass without affecting the direction of the pass; a massive restriction.

The dribbling and man-marking system needs fundamental changes, in order to do that, the left analogue stick needs to function differently.

If we had more animations for certain players, and less animations for other players, then you maximize the chances of dribbling past a defender by actually USING the superior range of animations of a player with superior dribbling ability: USING the STATS.

The current problem which has always been present but is now more evident than ever due to the fact that the new passing system has exposed this problem; is that the STATS cannot be USED or UTILIZED by the user.... the STATS need to work automatically because of how the left analogue stick functions.

Do we need to kick-start the movement of the ball when we are in a stationary stance?

Or does the movement of the ball AUTOMATICALLY kick-starts itself, when we direct the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button?

And because the first question is incorrect and the second question is correct; how do you implement stationary dribbling animations into the left analogue stick?

You cannot implement stationary dribbling animations into the left analogue stick, because the left analogue stick revolves around a restrictive concept that does not properly utilizes the depth and range of movement that the left analogue stick has to offer.

If you are already running with the ball, and you release the R1 sprint button, and then you direct the left analogue stick towards the right, as far to the right as it can go,

Would this affect the direction in which you dribble with the ball?

Or would this affect the direction in which you run with the ball?

There is a fine line between using or utilizing the STATS to your advantage, and the STATS working automatically.

The PES vs FIFA argument, revolves around how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide or disguise the discussed restriction, and how some people prefer the FIFA method, whereas other people prefer the PES method.

Yet, in these PES vs FIFA discussions, no one ever bothers talking about the two most important buttons, the buttons that actually determine how the game can and will play.

 

[Locoxx]

Rolf! what you are saying is that you dont like PES 2011 because now you can not do the ¨Road Runner¨ with Messi, Kaka, C.ronaldo, Walcott or any fast dude with Red arrow so that you can go all the way make such a crappy goal? in my opinion that really pisses me off.....sorry for the words, but everytime I play with guys online same thing, get messi, kaka or C.ronaldo, go all the way stop go to the right or left kick goal or pass goal....wtf? I do touch the wall with the team or if I use messi or etoo atleast I do a cross the ball....that fact is that the defense had improve it and now many people wants to quit because its getting harder, now if you are switching to fifa 11 let me tell you that it is the same thing as fifa 10, no joke, I have both demos in my ps3 and same thing, besides you can not run at the same speed all the time in fifa cuz you get tired.....

 

[Amateur]

Rolf! what you are saying is that you dont like PES 2011 because now you can not do the ¨Road Runner¨ with Messi, Kaka, C.ronaldo, Walcott or any fast dude with Red arrow so that you can go all the way make such a crappy goal? in my opinion that really pisses me off.....sorry for the words, but everytime I play with guys online same thing, get messi, kaka or C.ronaldo, go all the way stop go to the right or left kick goal or pass goal....wtf? I do touch the wall with the team or if I use messi or etoo atleast I do a cross the ball....that fact is that the defense had improve it and now many people wants to quit because its getting harder, now if you are switching to fifa 11 let me tell you that it is the same thing as fifa 10, no joke, I have both demos in my ps3 and same thing, besides you can not run at the same speed all the time in fifa cuz you get tired.....

I have no idea about whom you wanted to talk with, since you quoted no one.

However, the game is not harder or more difficult, the game is as dumb and as easy as it's always been.

So what, I cannot run past players with Messi.... is that supposed to make the game more realistic?

I cannot do the "road runner" but you know what?

With PES11, I can now do the "split the defense wide open with a very long pass through the ground, by using the same cheap tactic every single time, with just about anyone who has decent passing accuracy".

So where is this great improvement that PES11 has to offer? Where is the improvement? They replaced the "road runner" flaw with another flaw.

You know, if you take one step forwards and then take one step backwards.... you are still in the same place.

There you have PES11, in the same place PES10 was, one step forwards and one step backwards: same old trick with a new name, "engineered for freedom" -------- you do know that the game is in fact very restrictive, do you not?

PES11 is not close to realistic, because you know what? PES11 functions the same way PES10 and PES5 function, it is the same old load of bullshit.

PES11 is not enjoyable for me, a stupid dribbling system, a passing system that does not actually fit in with the rest of the game, a defensive system where you cannot even measure something as basic as tackling for the ball, etc, etc.

So wait, I can measure the direction of the pass with one button, and the power of the pass with an entirely different button; right?

So why.... can I not measure the direction of the tackle with one button, and measure the distance of the tackle with an entirely different button?

It makes little sense to have a passing system where different elements such as direction and power are determined by different buttons.... implemented into a game where you cannot measure the direction nor the distance of the tackle.

How am I supposed to calculate something as basic as tackling for the ball? How can I calculate a tackle in order to intercept a pass?

So I can calculate the direction and the power of the pass; but I cannot calculate the direction and the distance that should be required in order to intercept the pass? How is this an improvement?

Every time I intercept a pass.... I never feel like it was me.... You know why? Because I did not do anything, I did not calculated the direction of the tackle nor the distance of the tackle: the computer takes care of this, the computer decides if you intercept the pass or if you do not intercept the pass.

You never have to experience the necessity of actually thinking about something, be it the direction or power of the tackle, or something else.

PES11 is more of the same bullshit, you can no longer run past 4 defenders with Messi.... it makes no difference, PES11 is the same thing that PES10 was, it works the same way.

I cannot run past 4 defenders with Messi, but you what? I can split the defense wide open with just about anyone with decent passing accuracy; and you know what? build-up play is nonexistent, PES11 plays like FIFA09, with no build-up play.

I just think it is stupid that people seem to pay more attention to the PES vs FIFA bullshit, who cares if PES or FIFA is better, both games are shit.

How does the left analogue stick functions in PES11? It functions the same way it functioned 10 years ago.

Are you aware of the fact that the functioning of the buttons actually determines how the game can play?

And are you aware of the fact that replacing the "road runner" with some new cheap flaw but without actually revolutionizing how the left analogue stick works.... means that PES11 functions the same way PES10 functioned?

The left analogue stick works the same way in PES10 and PES11, which means that Konami replaced the "road runner" with yet another flaw: it is impossible to actually fix the core flaws without fixing the root of the problem.

You are boasting about a mere tweak, PES11 has not fixed anything, it merely tweaked on the old flaws: now, instead of doing the "road runner" flaw, you have to endure the "defender catching up with you, all the time" flaw.

I don't know which Football League you watch, but I have never seen slow defenders catching up with fast attackers when the space between the two is of about 10 feet of distance.

And here is the most important thing.... even if the defenders did not catch up with you after you ran past them.... would this make PES11 better?

No.... it would not make PES11 any better....

You know why? Because the dribbling system is still rubbish, the man-marking system is still rubbish, the movement without the ball is still rubbish, etc, etc.

Better referees, better goalkeepers, defenders not catching up with you like they currently do, etc, etc: will never make PES11 any better.... because it does not actually changes how the game plays and functions... because it does not actually changes how the left analogue stick functions.

That's the bottom line.

 

[Locoxx]

I have no idea about whom you wanted to talk with, since you quoted no one.

However, the game is not harder or more difficult, the game is as dumb and as easy as it's always been.

So what, I cannot run past players with Messi.... is that supposed to make the game more realistic?

I cannot do the "road runner" but you know what?

With PES11, I can now do the "split the defense wide open with a very long pass through the ground, by using the same cheap tactic every single time, with just about anyone who has decent passing accuracy".

So where is this great improvement that PES11 has to offer? Where is the improvement? They replaced the "road runner" flaw with another flaw.

You know, if you take one step forwards and then take one step backwards.... you are still in the same place: there you have PES10 vs PES11, in the same place, one step forwards and one step backward: same old trick with a new name, "engineered for freedom" -------- you do know that the game is in fact very restrictive, do you not?

PES11 is not close to realistic, because you know what? PES11 functions the same way PES10 and PES5 function, it is the same old load of bullshit.

PES11 is not enjoyable for me, a stupid dribbling system, a passing system that does not actually fit in with the rest of the game, a defensive system where you cannot even measure something as basic as tackling for the ball, etc, etc.

PES11 is more of the same bullshit, you can no longer run past 4 defenders with Messi.... it makes no difference, PES11 is the same thing that PES10 was, it works the same way.

I cannot run past 4 defenders with Messi, but you what? I can split the defense wide open with just about anyone with decent passing accuracy; and you know what? build-up play is nonexistent, PES11 plays like FIFA09, with no build-up play.

I just think it is stupid that people seem to pay more attention to the PES vs FIFA bullshit, who cares if PES or FIFA is better, both games are shit.

How does the left analogue stick functions in PES11? It functions the same way it functioned 10 years ago.

Are you aware of the fact that the functioning of the buttons actually determines how the game can play?

And are you aware of the fact that replacing the "road runner" with some new cheap flaw but without actually revolutionizing how the left analogue stick works.... means that PES11 functions the same way PES10 functioned?

The left analogue stick works the same way in PES10 and PES11, which means that Konami replaced the "road runner" with yet another flaw: it is impossible to actually fix the core flaws without fixing the root of the problem.

You are boasting about a mere tweak, PES11 has not fixed anything, it merely tweaked on the old flaws: now, instead of doing the "road runner", you have to endure the "defender catching up with you, all the time".

I don't know which Football league you watch, but I have never seen slow defenders catching up with fast attackers....

And here is the most important thing.... even if the defenders did not catch up with you after you ran past them.... would this make PES11 better?

No.... it would not make PES11 any better; you know why? Because the dribbling system is still rubbish, the man-marking system is still rubbish, the movement without the ball is still rubbish, etc, etc.

Better referees, better goalkeepers, defenders not catching up with you like they currently do, etc, etc: will never make PES11 any better.... because it does not actually changes how the game plays and functions... because it does not changes how the left analogue stick functions.

That's the bottom line.

Holy crap....how can you write so much? lol! anyways I was talking to the kid of the first post of the thread, well I am just saying what I saw in the demos, I do not own pes 2011, but I do have pes 2010 and I am saying what I see in the online gaming when people do the road runner, anyways...I havent read you whole post its really long lol, I guess you just explained what you think about PES 2011, now what do you think about Fifa 11? it is the same as fifa 10?

 

[Amateur]

Holy crap....how can you write so much? lol! anyways I was talking to the kid of the first post of the thread, well I am just saying what I saw in the demos, I do not own pes 2011, but I do have pes 2010 and I am saying what I see in the online gaming when people do the road runner, anyways...I havent read you whole post its really long lol, I guess you just explained what you think about PES 2011, now what do you think about Fifa 11? it is the same as fifa 10?

Well, had you read my "long" post, you would know what I think about FIFA11.

The left analogue stick functions the same way in FIFA11 and PES11; in other words, PES11 and FIFA11 are, more or less, the same bullshit.

The functioning of the left analogue stick will always determine how PES or FIFA can play; the left analogue stick is the measurement of all things as far as PES is concerned.

The left analogue stick functions the same way in PES11 and FIFA11: you can cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button; in other words, you cannot affect the direction in which the ball carrier dribbles with the ball, without affecting the direction in which the ball carrier runs with the ball.

In other words, dribbling and running are both determined by the left analogue stick, which makes it impossible to affect dribbling without affecting running.

In terms of passing, that would be the equivalent of, making it impossible to affect the direction of the pass without also affecting the power of the pass; in other words, independent components such as power and direction, would be determined by the same button; in other words, a massive restriction.

When you pass the ball in PES11 or FIFA11, the left analogue stick determines the direction of the pass and an entirely different button determines the power of the pass: different dimensions or facets of the game determined by different buttons.

As I already mentioned, the left analogue stick functions the same way in PES11 and FIFA11; which means that, the difference in feel between PES and FIFA, is determined by how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide or disguise the massive restriction that I just discussed.

FIFA: one on one against the goalkeeper, all the time.

PES: defenders catching up with you when you are well past them, all the time.

The difference in feel determined by how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide or disguise the massive restriction; at the end of the day, both games are limited by the same restriction.

The left analogue stick functions, in year 2010, the same way it functioned in 1998.




What do I think about FIFA11? I think it is the same old rubbish, aimed at casuals, no substance underneath the look and feel of the game.

PES11? Have you ever played FIFA09? Play FIFA09 and then play PES11.... and tell me if you notice any significant difference between the two. PES11 plays like a mix between FIFA09 and PES5, which is not a good thing considering this is year 2010.

Bottom Line?

Modern animations (motion capture) and modern graphics, should not revolve around the same left analogue stick system or d-pad system which has been used for the last 12 years.

Konami and EA Sports should find a new way of using the left analogue stick, otherwise, the game will stay stuck in the same place it's been since ISS.

 

[mfbullet]

I'm happy to say that PES11 is here to stay

i don't think you played PES11 all things you've mentioned are totally the opposite. your problem is you've only been playing since 2005, I've playing PES way back when it was ISS and anyone who has been playing pro evo for over a decade will be able to tell you that pro evo's strong point has always been its game play. we all switched many years ago from fifa to iss because of the game play.

Game Play
I emphasize on game play because in PES11 the game play is still amazing. i've been playing it now for 2days and i must say i'm loving the game play. the improved graphics are superb indeed but PES11 has still got that awesome game play.

you say passing is terrible and you state your reason:

Passing is terrible in my opinion, a full powered pass across the floor only travels about half the width of the pitch before slowing to nothing.. Full powered across the floor should be able to easily travel half the length of the pitch at full speed, can nobody kick balls anymore?

i think question should be can you pass the ball? The passing is different and i like it because it gives you freedom to pass anywhere and there's no AI assistance therefore before you can execute those clinical passes you need to understand how the new passing method works and in pro evo. The passing in pro evo 11 does need time getting used too i myself am still not executing passes correctly but every now and again i get it right, i also like the fact that you can pass into space and have your player run onto the pass.

you say shooting is unbalanced and you state your reason:

Shooting wise it feels unbalanced, I can just tap shoot and its enough to sky it which is irritating, I've only been able to score about 4 goals in 10 matches, and on PES2010 for example I averaged between 110 - 150 goals a season.

Shooting: once again going back to iss, when i use play with my mates if one of us got the shooting wrong it was because we were pressing the shoot button for to long, there4 we would always shout out loud "tap it" when one of us got the shot wrong. in PES11 the shooting is fine, once again you have to time your shot, press the shoot button to long the ball will go into orbit, or if you miss time your shot chances are the keeper will get it or it will go wide. Get your shot perfect and you feel the satisfaction of the goal because you know you hit the sweet spot. my suggestion would be to find that sweet spot I've scored a couple of amazing goals in PES11 already and each goal feels good.

I agree with you here:

If people say this is realistic and FIFA11 is arcade, then I guess I'm an arcade gamer, FIFA11 has MUCH more playability, you can sprint and shoot, passing and crossing is much better, graphics look better in my opinion, AI and proportions are superior, gameplay in general is great.

i think you cannot compare PES to FIFA, some of my mates love fifa and thats great i myself have not been able to get used to Fifa's style of play, the reason is i try to play Fifa like PES and it just doesnt work and i'm sure Fifa players playing PES also try to play PES like Fifa and thats not going to work. So i can see were both sides get frustrated. I've given Fifa a shot but game play just doesn't do it for me. yes they have all bell & whistles and licences but if your ISS/PES long time player those things are not that important. but PES does have it's own bells & whistles too, it might lack in licences but it does have the UAFE Champions league probably the biggest soccer spectacle in Europe.

anyway good luck with FIFA11 hope you enjoy I know that I will be enjoying PES11 as well.

also at the end of the day its just a game and therefore we shouldn't loose sight of that. this hole competition thing of "measuring dick sizes" comes from that wacky corporate culture. if you like FIFA then good for you, just dont bad mouth PES and the same goes for PES guys.

we all have one thing in common we love football :lol:

we are one!

 

[Locoxx]

Well, had you read my "long" post, you would know what I think about FIFA11.

The left analogue stick functions the same way in FIFA11 and PES11; in other words, PES11 and FIFA11 are, more or less, the same bullshit.

The functioning of the left analogue stick will always determine how PES or FIFA can play; the left analogue stick is the measurement of all things as far as PES is concerned.

The left analogue stick functions the same way in PES11 and FIFA11: you can cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button; in other words, you cannot affect the direction in which the ball carrier dribbles with the ball, without affecting the direction in which the ball carrier runs with the ball.

In other words, dribbling and running are both determined by the left analogue stick, which makes it impossible to affect dribbling without affecting running.

In terms of passing, that would be the equivalent of, making it impossible to affect the direction of the pass without also affecting the power of the pass; in other words, independent components such as power and direction, would be determined by the same button; in other words, a massive restriction.

When you pass the ball in PES11 or FIFA11, the left analogue stick determines the direction of the pass and an entirely different button determines the power of the pass: different dimensions or facets of the game determined by different buttons.

As I already mentioned, the left analogue stick functions the same way in PES11 and FIFA11; which means that, the difference in feel between PES and FIFA, is determined by how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide or disguise the massive restriction that I just discussed.

FIFA: one on one against the goalkeeper, all the time.

PES: defenders catching up with you when you are well past them, all the time.

The difference in feel determined by how Konami and EA Sports decide to hide or disguise the massive restriction; at the end of the day, both games are limited by the same restriction.

The left analogue stick functions, in year 2010, the same way it functioned in 1998.




What do I think about FIFA11? I think it is the same old rubbish, aimed at casuals, no substance underneath the look and feel of the game.

PES11? Have you ever played FIFA09? Play FIFA09 and then play PES11.... and tell me if you notice any significant difference between the two. PES11 plays like a mix between FIFA09 and PES5, which is not a good thing considering this is year 2010.

Bottom Line?

Modern animations (motion capture) and modern graphics, should not revolve around the same left analogue stick system or d-pad system which has been used for the last 12 years.

Konami and EA Sports should find a new way of using the left analogue stick, otherwise, the game will stay stuck in the same place it's been since ISS.

I havent play fifa 09, but I have play fifa 10 in ps2....I just played the mode that you can create your own player because it said that if I do a good job I will play in the world cup.....after all the crappy game didnt have world cup feature....I felt fooled lol.

 

[Ultimate777]

I havent play fifa 09, but I have play fifa 10 in ps2....I just played the mode that you can create your own player because it said that if I do a good job I will play in the world cup.....after all the crappy game didnt have world cup feature....I felt fooled lol.

Dont bother responding to his repetitive regurgitated copy and paste posts, you'll be wasting your time.

You hit the nail on the head, people here simply fallen out of love with the game because they cant make superhuman runs with their favourite players.

 

[Locoxx]

Dont bother responding to his repetitive regurgitated copy and paste posts, you'll be wasting your time.

You hit the nail on the head, people here simply fallen out of love with the game because they cant make superhuman runs with their favourite players.

Oh well...actually thats what I think....but you are the guy that always discuss with these guys right? lol I saw a couple of your posts fighting with some dudes of this forum lol.

 

[Ultimate777]

Oh well...actually thats what I think....but you are the guy that always discuss with these guys right? lol I saw a couple of your posts fighting with some dudes of this forum lol.

Yep thats me lol. You got educate these young punks here about the reality of the game and football in general, hence my name.

unfortunately we're infested with this amateur character who likes to write long boring posts on how much he hates the game which impresses some people who don't bother to read the shit he comes out with which is just regurgitated recycled posts from last year just changed around a litte. Just check out the pes10vspes11 thread and you'll see what I mean. yet comes here every year and buys it religiously and throws it away after three days.

Then you have the kids who cant score 10 goals per match on the new pes and get brought into the fifa hype machine and gloss and think fifa represents real football even though its basic stuff for simpletons where everything is done for you only to insult the intelligence of the user.

Anyway welcome a board

 

[Locoxx]

Yep thats me lol. You got educate these young punks here about the reality of the game and football in general, hence my name.

unfortunately we're infested with this amateur character who likes to write long boring posts on how much he hates the game which impresses some people who don't bother to read the shit he comes out with which is just regurgitated recycled posts from last year just changed around a litte. Just check out the pes10vspes11 thread and you'll see what I mean. yet comes here every year and buys it religiously and throws it away after three days.

Then you have the kids who cant score 10 goals per match on the new pes and get brought into the fifa hype machine and gloss and think fifa represents real football even though its basic stuff for simpletons where everything is done for you only to insult the intelligence of the user.

Anyway welcome a board

Lol... I guess Amateur makes a lot of friends are here and you too....I only wrote my opinion about about this topic and thanks for the welcome! right now I am watching Barcelona vs Villa real, 1-1...so far looks good.

 

[Amateur]

Dont bother responding to his repetitive regurgitated copy and paste posts, you'll be wasting your time.

You hit the nail on the head, people here simply fallen out of love with the game because they cant make superhuman runs with their favourite players.

Why do you continue saying completely pointless things?

Copy Paste -- all your comments are identical, you hypocrite, all your comments are the same embarrassing and subjective bullshit, get over yourself, nobody gives a fuck about your opinion.

PES11 is rubbish, if you cannot see why, you should not be taken seriously by anyone with a sane mind.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I certainly do not respect your opinion; yet I am well aware of the fact that using my opinion to question your opinion is straight out redundant and condescending.

I talk about facts, not about opinions: everybody has one....

Unfortunately, we always have people like you, who think that their opinion is somehow above the regular opinions of "simpletons" who "struggle" when they play PES11.

That's offensive dude, and also embarrassing, because it shows how much of a moron you truly are; and yet, you take yourself so seriously.

Words like "bitch" or "simpleton" are the usual components of your posts; you judge people, but you never actually say anything objective, since the only thing you ever talk about is your opinion and the people who you agree with.

You are not worth the time and everything you say is, quite simply, boring and redundant and childish.

You should do a favor to yourself and to everybody else: shut the fuck up and play the game if you enjoy playing it so much.

If you want to talk about it, and you are annoyed by the people who do not agree with your opinion; go to the "I love PES11 thread" if you want, a lot of people will agree with you.... you will not see a single one of my copy-paste responses.

You think PES11 is better than PES10; I think that PES10 is better than PES11: this thread is about PES10 vs PES11.

We already know what you think, I do not agree with you, and the person who created this thread does not agree with you, and a lot of very good gamers also disagree with you: it's your opinion, and your opinion is not above mine nor above anyone else.

You have failed to argue without utilizing the word "bitch" in all your stupid comments, you have failed to provide anything objective; the only thing you have contributed with so far, is with childish insults and pointless essays.

Who the fuck do you think you are?

 

[Ultimate777]

Why do you continue saying completely pointless things?

Copy Paste -- all your comments are identical, you hypocrite, all your comments are the same embarrassing and subjective bullshit, get over yourself, nobody gives a fuck about your opinion.

PES11 is rubbish, if you cannot see why, you should not be taken seriously by anyone with a sane mind.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I certainly do not respect your opinion; yet I am well aware of the fact that using my opinion to question your opinion is straight out redundant and condescending.

I talk about facts, not about opinions: everybody has one....

Unfortunately, we always have people like you, who think that their opinion is somehow above the regular opinions of "simpletons" who "struggle" when they play PES11.

That's offensive dude, and also embarrassing, because it shows how much of a moron you truly are; and yet, you take yourself so seriously.

Words like "bitch" or "simpleton" are the usual components of your posts; you judge people, but you never actually say anything objective, since the only thing you ever talk about is your opinion and the people who you agree with.

You are not worth the time and everything you say is, quite simply, boring and redundant and childish.

You should do a favor to yourself and to everybody else: shut the fuck up and play the game if you enjoy playing it so much.

If you want to talk about it, and you are annoyed by the people who do not agree with your opinion; go to the "I love PES11 thread" if you want, a lot of people will agree with you.... you will not see a single one of my copy-paste responses.

You think PES11 is better than PES10; I think that PES10 is better than PES11: this thread is about PES10 vs PES11.

We already know what you think, I do not agree with you, and the person who created this thread does not agree with you, and a lot of very good gamers also disagree with you: it's your opinion, and your opinion is not above mine nor above anyone else.

You have failed to argue without utilizing the word "bitch" in all your stupid comments, you have failed to provide anything objective; the only thing you have contributed with so far, is with childish insults and pointless essays.

Who the fuck do you think you are?

lol you always make me laugh, you never fail in contradicting yourself and coming across as an uptight asshole who takes himself so seriously . All that you just said in that post applies to yourself i hope you realise that.

But tell me what good gamers have disagreed with me? Only the bandwagon fifa jumpers have disagreed with my points and losers like yourself who hide and choke out of challenges. You can't run away from me forever amateur.

Sooner or later you'll have to play me so I can finally put all your crap to bed and show everyone here how easy it is to beat someone like you who runs their mouth pretending to know everything while you complain that the game is dumb yet fail to put up a competitive challenge against a human player.

 

[Typho2k]

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Amateur may write way too much of the same stuff, but he is right about most of the stuff he says..

Like the passing system, or atleast the through balls are way too tough for the defense, you just don't have enough control over the defense to stop em.

I feel that the game is all about doing those way too good through passes that gets curved around the defenders, because it's so easy and effective, just like in fifa where it's all about sprinting to the keeper with ronaldo after a through ball through the way too high defensive line.

The game would be really good if the through balls, the cheating AI, selecting players was fixed, I would be happy with it.

But then again, football games could be much more advanced in this gen.

Pes and Fifa is like Tony hawk ( where they use animations to create fake physics that looks realistic), and it should be more like skate.
or let's use another example, pes and fifa is like wwe games, where as it should be more like fight night...

anyways... keep writing Amateur.. but don't expect the things you write to happen before next gen..

 

[sgmullins]

At no point did I say I wanted a game where one player can beat an entire team. I play a passing game on FIFA11, I play like Arsenal does at their best.

I just want a game that doesn't greatly undervalue human ability, PES2011 restricts you to a semi-run with the ball at your fastest.. whereas in reality, hundreds of players can run fast with the ball, to the point where the commentators are saying "Blistering down the wing", or "pulling away from the rest of the field".

On this, those quotes could never be said about the sprinting, it feels un-natural.

Call FIFA what you like, it's an opinion, but in mine, its a fantastic game, made to please its fans, and the sales tell you the story.


I respect shaun7's opinion because he explained himself and didn't insult my opinion.

The way I see it, FIFA games and PES games are both flawed in some way, but before something sets the bar well above them both, neither will be the perfect game, and depending if you're a PES fan or FIFA fan, opinions vary hugely.

I just came here to give mine, I've changed from PES to FIFA for this year, but I hold both series of games in high regard.

Fifa 11 is a game that runs at 100 mph, your lucky to get 2 seconds on the ball before getting smothered up by 2 to 3 players. How fifa 11 can be considered as a soccer game is beyond me. It's truly bad this year and easports should bury their heads in the sand.

 

[Sminky]

Guys guys guys! I thought we were going to settle this with PS3 controllers in our hands?

Its turning into something of a protracted argument and its clear its not going to get sorted in these forums.