I'm afraid to say..

[cjkinger]

I'm convinced certain people on these forums are dedicated to posting about PES than actually playing PES-my god, I think some of you post every thought that comes to mind. Anyway, I'm off to PLAY PES-have fun with your old ladies club spouting "for" or "against" PES LOL

 

[Amateur]

Guys guys guys! I thought we were going to settle this with PS3 controllers in our hands?

Its turning into something of a protracted argument and its clear its not going to get sorted in these forums.

How exactly is anyone supposed to "settle" anything by playing a game were the defensive system is broken and automatic?

Fuck that, I have better things to do with my time; perhaps if I am bored out of my mind, and I have a copy of PES11 by my side, I would bother playing a couple of games.

But settle things by playing PES?

That would be like someone arguing AGAINST war, and then settling his argument by starting a war.... Makes no sense, it would be utterly redundant.

My advice is, some people can and should grow up, they need to accept the fact that a lot of gamers who used to play ISS cannot stand PES11 for very valid and understandable reasons.

To say that PES11 is a superior game, and that the people who think it is a stupid game are wrong in thinking that, is a redundant and subjective argument.

I say fuck that, I will not settle anything by playing a game, because I would be contradicting myself: I do not like the game because in my opinion it is a bad video game, I feel insulted when I play PES11, not entertained.... which is the very reason for why I bothered paying for the game.

In addition, I do not even own the game anymore, because I do not like how dumb it is: it has nothing to do with Football.

Settle things if you want, by playing the game, it was actually my idea and my initiative; for my part, I could not care less, as it has absolutely nothing to do with my argument.

My definition for entertainment: playing Chess is entertaining, playing Super Smash Brothers is entertaining, playing the old Bomber Man games is entertaining, watching and playing Football is entertaining; but playing PES11 is not entertaining.

It is that simple, PES11 does not requires the type of skills that I find entertaining and substantial, it is a dumb game, and it is not exactly easy to play because the game is designed so that easy things are not easy to pull off; yet the game remains dumb and easy, regardless of the difficulty and regardless of the execution.

In other words, even if PES11 is harder to play when compared with FIFA11, that does not mean that PES11 is the better game; and certainly, it doesn't means that it requires more "skills" or ability.

At the end of the day, I will probably play a couple of games against you; but I am not "settling" anything, as it has nothing to do with my argument, and thus, does not determine nor limit my argument in any way.

Playing the game and testing the game are different things, which require different skills or at least a different approach or mentality; playing the game and arguing about the game, are different things....

I just think it is unfortunate, that the vast majority of people can only play the video game, but cannot possibly talk or argue about the video game... because they never say anything worth arguing about.

Arguments about opinions vs opinions, always end the same way; I think PES is simple and dumb enough, for people to understand the clear difference between opinions and facts.

 

[Ultimate777]

How exactly is anyone supposed to "settle" anything by playing a game were the defensive system is broken and automatic?

Fuck that, I have better things to do with my time; perhaps if I am bored out of my mind, and I have a copy of PES11 by my side, I would bother playing a couple of games.

But settle things by playing PES?

That would be like someone arguing AGAINST war, and then settling his argument by starting a war.... Makes no sense, it would be utterly redundant.

My advice is, some people can and should grow up, they need to accept the fact that a lot of gamers who used to play ISS cannot stand PES11 for very valid and understandable reasons.

To say that PES11 is a superior game, and that the people who think it is a stupid game are wrong in thinking that, is a redundant and subjective argument.

I say fuck that, I will not settle anything by playing a game, because I would be contradicting myself: I do not like the game because in my opinion it is a bad video game.

In addition, I do not even own the game anymore, because I do not like how dumb it is: it has nothing to do with Football.

Settle things if you want, by playing the game, it was actually my idea and my initiative; for my part, I could not care less, as it has absolutely nothing to do with my argument.

At the end of the day, I will probably play a couple of games against you, when I can and when you can; but I am not "settling" anything, as it has nothing to do with my argument, and thus, does not determine nor limit my argument in any way.

You settle things by backing up your points. Which is that you claim pes is apparently too easy for you, as allegedly all you have to do is a through ball pass with xavi and you can get past any defense. Well play me and see where that you will get doing that, besides recieving a 5-0 hammering.

Funny how you equate settling things out on a game to fighting in a war lol. Which just proves how much of a drama queen you truly are

You and I both know you simply gave up because you struggle with it and couldnt win as much as you'd have liked to. You're like that spoilt sore loser kid in the play ground who joins in a game that everyone is having fun with, but then you lose the first game and walk away in a tantrum and pretend your above it and try convincing everyone who will listen to you rant and everyone else who is having fun and success with the game, that it's dumb and boring and no one else should play it.

You didn't think I'd take up your offer, because you assumed I was like yourself full of air and blowing wind every time something comes out of your mouth. Now you've seen I'm more than ready to slaughter you on the game, you're officially bitching out and pulling out the excuses.

I mean why offer to play me if you already know you don't have the game you dumbass?

Or did you throw it away/destroy it in a panic, as soon as I replied to your challenge?

 

[Typho2k]

Yes, he is probably whining cuz he can't master the super bad defense or the unhuman through passes, or the stupid ai

 

[Tricko]

I got bored of FIFA 11 too quickly. Same game just a bit harder than before. It is always the same thing when I am playing a team loads better than mine, they always f**k me up with crosses.
I find PES 2011 to be more of a challenge and loads more unpredictable. Hence, more entertaining.
Furthermore, I always like playing on the international stage of football, and PES has loads more countries. I know most don't have the real players, but that can be easily edited, or hopefully sorted with a patch. Cause there is no way I am sorting out all those Asian teams.

 

[Sminky]

How exactly is anyone supposed to "settle" anything by playing a game were the defensive system is broken and automatic?

Fuck that, I have better things to do with my time; perhaps if I am bored out of my mind, and I have a copy of PES11 by my side, I would bother playing a couple of games.

But settle things by playing PES?

That would be like someone arguing AGAINST war, and then settling his argument by starting a war.... Makes no sense, it would be utterly redundant.

Whoa easy there chief, I was trying to find a way to stop the argument, it was the only one I could think of.

You two aren't ever going to see eye to eye in this forum so if you won't play each other than theres no point arguing. Its just going to go round and round ad infinitum.

 

[u1tradt]

Fuck that, I have better things to do with my time...

But you're still here writing 1000 word essays at a time talking about how much you hate the game. If you like a game then fair play to ya go and enjoy it, if you don't like a game then you stop playing it and exchange it at one of many games shops in your local high street for something you will enjoy.

You clearly don't have better things to do with your time because apparently the majority of your time is spent on these boards writing up essays to explain how much you hate the game and to count anyone's positive opinion of the game as invalid.

If you don't like the game then stop posting here, most of us come here to talk about the game and to give and read constructive criticism. Your shit, on the other hand, is getting real old real quick.

 

[Locoxx]

Guys guys guys! I thought we were going to settle this with PS3 controllers in our hands?

Its turning into something of a protracted argument and its clear its not going to get sorted in these forums.

I know! lol! its so funny how people here are insulting each other xD.

 

[Ultimate777]

But you're still here writing 1000 word essays at a time talking about how much you hate the game. If you like a game then fair play to ya go and enjoy it, if you don't like a game then you stop playing it and exchange it at one of many games shops in your local high street for something you will enjoy.

You clearly don't have better things to do with your time because apparently the majority of your time is spent on these boards writing up essays to explain how much you hate the game and to count anyone's positive opinion of the game as invalid.

If you don't like the game then stop posting here, most of us come here to talk about the game and to give and read constructive criticism. Your shit, on the other hand, is getting real old real quick.

I've tried telling the boy this, but he doesn't listen. I just put it down to insanity and mental deterioration from all the isolation.

 

[klashman]

I am now a FIFA player,

Been with PES Since 2005, always enjoyed the gameplay more, it was fast and fun, and didn't take itself so seriously, and overall, it had playability.

So you don't care about realism. Well that explains everything

But PES2011 is unplayable in my opinion, I agree with it needing a huge overhaul, and graphically it looks nice, the menu's take some getting used to but they are good, I don't like the team lineup menu atall.. makes things too complicated and its buggy as hell. Players look better though.

Oh dear, well it's simple, this game is too advanced for you. You made the right choice in buying a simple easy game like fifa.

But when it comes to the most important part of the game, the gameplay, it's something I can't get used to, slowing the pace, fair enough but taking away every little ounce of speed, why?

My main issue is the speed, playing it with any team feels like I'm playing with a team of Heskey's, i.e. slow awful players, Dashing is a slow jog.. why can't players actually run?, do you not watch players like Bale and Walcott sprint down the entire length of the field, breaking away from people.. that is impossible here, instead of making it realistic, it feels like players have had their ability greatly reduced.

It's just you, the game just makes it hard to beat players. Takes a lot more skill than any other game offers. FIFA's is just easy, you just do that ball roll trick and your past him with ease! I have no trouble at all in PES beating players or sprinting.

here's a video to demonstrate;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKmh8svKq_I

FIFA11 has MUCH more playability, you can sprint and shoot, passing and crossing is much better, graphics look better in my opinion, AI and proportions are superior, gameplay in general is great.

Yes it's good for a month or so but it's just a generic, boring, repetitive game. Everything is too piss easy for me. Winning 11-0 vs the CPU on legendary last year on FIFA 10 (which is the same for FIFA 11 pc) summed it up really!

Transfers are better, you actually have initial input, instead of leaving it to the Scout.. and of course FIFA have all of the licenses, so instead of playing as NORTH LONDON vs LANCASHIRE or some crap. You play as Arsenal vs Blackburn Rovers, which is much more "Realistic".

Option file? Thats the whole point of pes. it' been like this since ISS back int he 90's where people would spend hours typig in the correct names for every team. Get yourself a option file... wait

You play on PC? WTF! and you haven't downloaded ANY PATCHES AT ALL FOR PES! :shocking:

Well, i pray for you.

I hope PES2012 is another overhaul, in the right direction.

I really hope Konami do not listen to you, i really do, FIFA is your game and caters for you. PES 2011 isn't suited or your needs so i would stay where you are

I don't want PES going back in the shitter like it was from PES6-PES 2009 and arguably PES 2010

 

[klashman]

Sup Freak367,

There is no reason to apologize or explain yourself to anyone here.
You have stated a valid reason for not liking PES 2011. Many many many others have also. This is why my beloved PES has gone to the dogs. The game is garbage!

So you agree it's gone to the dogs for you it's not the easy game it once was? oK, glad you don't like PES 2011

Currently, Fifa is the best footie game that simulates real life football. Make no excuses to no one for playing it.

Of course Fifa has its problems ...but they are minimal. I too was a huge PES fan and defended the title for a long time. Today I only play the best football game ever ....yep ever.....Fifa 11.

Have you seen how realistic these players move? The collisions, the stretches for balls, the tricks, the wing to wing passes, the curling long balls, the hustle for balls, the pushes, the tugs, the clearances .... I could go on and on ....PES pales in comparison.

Did you know that's all that's good in the game? The animations, the fluidity and transitions between them, the stretches for balls, the general responsiveness. That's pretty much all the game does. And it's it realsitic?

:laugh:

Hell no, it's like playing a cartoon version of football. I played the demo to the depth the in balance of the game is horrific, it's not even a good arcade game which FIFA 10 and 09 were!

A football game should be judged on these 5 categories:

Tactics/Formation balance

Player Attributes/individuality

Animations

Human Physics/ ball physics

Game balance

FIFA 11 does one of these five well, 'Animations' in a video game sense (the game is silky smooth) but badly optimized in a football sense.

In terms of Human Physics/ball physics, Game balance, Player Attributes/individuality and Tactics/Formation balance it fails miserably in creating a sim!

it's also why i can't be bothered with plying online even though I'm pretty good at FIFA, i can't be bothered to play a ridiculous game where i play against endless cheesers who play with stupid 6-0-4 like they did in FIFA 10 and 09! You can beat them but there's no joy in beating them. Clubs is the only thing worth playing in FIFA!

In contrast PES 2011 gets 3 out of those 5 perfect but struggles in two departments.

The main problem with FIFA is the way the game is built. There's no factoring of player inertia at ALL. Realistic Foot planting is non existent which is a joke since FIFA 08 got this almost perfect! Players can all turn and move at lighting speed with Jedi like reactions, so to beat a man you HAVE to use the trick stick, it's not like real life where you unbalanced the defender. So it basically just gives you far too much unrealistic control, making the game to clinical, predictable and easy!

Also as per usual the game is completely devoid of proper individuality. PES 2011 laughs hysterically at FIFA with their pathetic gimmick called personality plus!

When you can stick Theo Walcott in goal and he'll make world class reaction saves just like Buffon.

Where you can Use Hleb as a center back and he's still make challenges as if he's Vermalaen!

The midfield means nothing!

Once again like in pretty much every fifa game the defense midfielders or center is completely useless. No just for you team, the CPU's DM's i rarely see them, ever! They are never an issue when they should in realty be a pest like they are in PES 2011 (Essien AGGGHHHH)

At all. It's again about how strong your strikers and defenders are. love how pro passing doesn't simulate how accurate each player can pass! instead bizarrely it just simulates how hard they can hit the pass! So play with a league 2 team and they ca barley kick a ball, hilarious ain't it :laugh:

Beating the AI is a breeze, all you do is set pressure high and that's it. I knew this when I beat Barcelona with Leverkusen on the demo (Legendary using full manual even).

Again, up front it's all about how strong your strikers are. There isn't difference between a top striker and a average striker. What makes Drogba so unstoppable is simple. You guessed it, strength because that's what the game is all about!

The AI is beyond terrible. Just like with FIFA 10. The only challenge in this game is the overpowered defenders who run up behind you when your in a one on one and barge you off the ball rugby style. Don't worry I'm good enough to get round this i just think when i easily do this to the CPU and they do it to me it's a complete joke that's all!

There's no tactical awareness at all, they are stupid as sin! it's still stupidly easy to create 1 on 1 opportunities because AI defenders do not work together. The full back seems to have a bad habit of constantly play your strikers onside.

There is a reason Fifa is again #1 and fail to believe that it is because the game is "easy".

So you would rather listen to a reviewer who plays the game in a luxury hotel paid for them by EA and spends what? 2 hours tops with the game, than some people like those on Evo Web who not really gamers, but people eat, sleep, breathe and play football and know the game inside out?

Not just that we can give you proper in depth analysis on the game rather than the shit reviewers come with who know little or nothing about football.

Don't even mention 'sales' figures since FIFA marketing power destroys PES. FIFA has always sold much more than PES since the beginning and this year PES' marketing campaign has been dire, FIFA's has been relentless! No to mention he licenses etc...

The reason why Fifa is now again on top is because it works! Great graphics, Licensed (tired of Man Red) and most of all ...freakishly realistic.

:laugh: People don't play FIFA because it's freakishly realistic, it's barley a football game, let alone a sim. It resembles more of a breed between ice hockey (player movement) and rugby (overpowered physicality system)

And let's not forget the FIFA street like skill moves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0qmy7Klcgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrHR__sjX_Y

look at the defending, don't show Alan Hansen this, he'll have some serious nightmares!

You find this realistic, well, keep living in that little box

 

[S-D-P]

Agree with the poster above, can understand why people play fifa(I did for the past three years) but with some people its obvious they simply dont understand how to use the controls effectively in pes. PES 2011 really does take a long time to get used to, its upto the player to make the game run smoother by how you time things. When you play a perfect manual pass on PES the animation looks stunning, if you over power it the ball will bobble. If you learn how to use the analog and close control on this game the ball won't bounce off players ect and you can also get away from defenders. Despite some hideous flaws people underrate the controls of PES and how deep it actually is. For me a benchmark of a good game is the more you play the better it gets, this is certainly the case with pes and not with fifa.

 

[Amateur]

Whoa easy there chief, I was trying to find a way to stop the argument, it was the only one I could think of.

You two aren't ever going to see eye to eye in this forum so if you won't play each other than theres no point arguing. Its just going to go round and round ad infinitum.

I am arguing.

Football777 is talking shit.

There's a big difference between, arguing with facts, and arguing with your opinion.

There is a point to arguing. I can argue was much as I want, you don't have to respond, and Football777 does not have to respond: it is that simple.

You don't need to stop the argument, and considering that you don't care, you should not waste your time responding to me.

Just play the game if you want to, but this thread reads "I'm afraid to say..." -- yet Football777 comes in here, saying that anybody who does not like PES11 is a "simpleton".

I am sorry, but that is just laughable; fuck that, PES11 is in fact a very outdated and restrictive video game, which is why a LOT of skillful gamers do not like it.

You can like it, I have nothing against that, as it is your opinion; I do not like it, I already gave my reasons, I fail to understand why certain assholes have to insult me because I cannot enjoy PES11 for what it is.

And let's make this clear, what PES11 is or isn't, cannot be changed by an opinion.

PES11 is extremely easy, I cannot believe how some people can even criticize FIFA11 when PES11 plays like "Football For Dummies".

 

[Sminky]

I am arguing.

Football777 is talking shit.

There's a big difference between, arguing with facts, and arguing with your opinion.

There is a point to arguing. I can argue was much as I want, you don't have to respond, and Football777 does not have to respond: it is that simple.

You don't need to stop the argument, and considering that you don't care, you should not waste your time responding to me.

Mate, I think you have spectacularly misunderstood what I said. I was merely attempting - and failing - to defuse the situation.

 

[Ultimate777]

I am arguing.

Football777 is talking shit.

There's a big difference between, arguing with facts, and arguing with your opinion.

There is a point to arguing. I can argue was much as I want, you don't have to respond, and Football777 does not have to respond: it is that simple.

You don't need to stop the argument, and considering that you don't care, you should not waste your time responding to me.

Just play the game if you want to, but this thread reads "I'm afraid to say..." -- yet Football777 comes in here, saying that anybody who does not like PES11 is a "simpleton".

I am sorry, but that is just laughable; fuck that, PES11 is in fact a very outdated and restrictive video game, which is why a LOT of skillful gamers do not like it.

You can like it, I have nothing against that, as it is your opinion; I do not like it, I already gave my reasons, I fail to understand why certain assholes have to insult me because I cannot enjoy PES11 for what it is.

And let's make this clear, what PES11 is or isn't, cannot be changed by an opinion.

PES11 is extremely easy, I cannot believe how some people can even criticize FIFA11 when PES11 plays like "Football For Dummies".

*yawn* There you go twisting my words

As for me stating everyone who doesn't like the game as simpletons you know you are lying. I said most people who give up on pes2011 is because it's too hard for their brains and do not possess the patience to learn how to get to grips with it and instead prefer fifa which basically just insults you're intelligence and does everything for you. I bet you've not even played fifa11 yet you're placing it on a pedestal above pes11. I've got both games and pes11 is far more in depth in terms of gameplay. Presentation and graphics fifa wins hands down. But gameplay wise its very superficial and most with an ounce of intelligence will get bored within a fortnight

Most of the former users on this forum who have created attention seeking threads to state they're giving up on pes for fifa, always highlight a difficulty within the game that becomes too much for them.
So I base my opinion on the experience of gamers who registered on this forum.

The only reason I contend with you because I don't get why you hate the game, yet come on here and criticise people for liking the game. Plus being the hypocrite you are you go one step further and, insult the entire fan base by saying things like its a game made for dummies.

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE IF IT'S A DUMB GAME? Please just answer that basic question if it's not too much.

Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with a coward who runs away from challenges and lies in order to support their own argument.

 

[Amateur]

Mate, I think you have spectacularly misunderstood what I said. I was merely attempting - and failing - to defuse the situation.

What situation?

I am expressing my opinion, and in some instances, I have argued with facts; there is no situation going on here, just someone expressing his opinion, and another person saying that my opinion is rubbish because in his opinion it is rubbish, etc, etc.

It is a classic case of me, Amateur, expressing why I am disappointed with PES11 and giving reasons and facts as to why that is; and Football777, wanting to turn it into an opinion vs opinion argument, which is in fact redundant.

The only situation here, is that some people cannot acknowledge the difference between opinions and facts.

I have nothing against your opinion nor against the opinion of Football777; but apparently, Football777 and some other people have a problem with my having an opinion that they do not agree with.... because apparently, they are the authority on what PES11 is and what PES11 is not.

Fuck that. In all honesty, I have better things to do with my time. I can respect that you are now enjoying PES11, but excuse me for not sharing the same opinion as you.

And I remind you, and anyone, that this thread is not a positive one; thus, why expect positive bullshit in a thread that reads "I'm afraid to say..."

I don't understand why, the thread is negative, why would you or anyone expect positive comments in such a thread?

Then again, we are talking about people who will call you "bitch" or "simpleton" just because you don't like their beloved product.

Others, such as yourself, will try to "defuse" a "situation" -- that's bullshit. Fuck that. I have other things to do with my time that I find far more rewarding.

So, all things considered, I do not respect your opinion because I understand it and I fully disagree with it, but I don't see why I should insult you on the basis that... in my opinion.... you are wrong....

When I can easily argue by using simple facts.... I can say that I do not respect your opinion without using offensive words such as "bitch" or "simpleton" -- because I do not want nor intend to disrespect you, I am disrespecting a product, a company, but not the consumer.

Some people ask what a "fanboy" is; well, a fanboy is someone like Football777, someone who will feel personally insulted by a person that criticizes their beloved product; fanboys do not know how to argue with facts, they turn everything into a redundant opinion vs opinion debate.

Which would be acceptable if we were talking about politics or something complicated; but when PES is the subject, there is no excuse other than laziness, when the only "argument" you can conjure is an opinion vs opinion debate.

My final say on the matter is: enjoy the game if you want to, just don't try to tell when what I should say or what I should do, etc. I am not personally offending anyone, I am talking about a product here.

 

[Ultimate777]

:lmao: You've officially lost the plot

 

[Amateur]

:lmao: You've officially lost the plot

Yeah, I disagree with you....

I think you lost the plot since the very beginning, since you never had a decent argument to begin with: your opinion is just that, an opinion like any other.

You spend more time in here than me.... and I do not even own PES11; if you enjoy playing PES11 that much, why do you spend so much time in a negative PES thread? Who are you trying to convince?

That's were you lost the plot.... a looong fucking time ago, since the plot never even existed in the first place; this is just you and your delusions.

I stated my argument, nobody questioned my argument, nobody actually debated the actual argument; there was no plot, just you affirming and reaffirming your lack of understanding.

I never said that my opinion is correct and your opinion is incorrect; my argument is very simple, PES11 is in fact very scripted, flawed, superficial, insubstantial, outdated, etc.

You can either, like the game or dislike the game or feel indifferent about it: nobody would be correct, since these are all opinions.

The problem that you have, or your plot, is that you think your opinion is a fact, an absolute truth. That's a waste of time.

 

[Sminky]

I've never censored anyone on PESgaming or told them what opinion to have, well not that the brain can recall but I do know I've encouraged respecting the opinions of others - and obviously the engaging of banter.

Its all getting a bit odd, I feel like I've stumbled into a conversation half way through and been mistaken for someone else

I've got no quarrell with you or Football777, sure I've argued and indulged in banter in the past but its par for the course as we love Football and at some point have all loved PES - blimey, I'm using 'love' as a context for a video game! :shocking:

 

[u1tradt]

This guy's a brilliant troll.