PES 2013 Demo 1: Feedback, Impressions, Discussions etc.

[MysteryMan]

The overall stats are bullshit, you need to analyse invidual stats rather than this overall stat nonsense. They should do away with it along with the shit letter rating.

So your saying that konami stats are fine?

Just 1 little example:

Ronaldo has better passing stats than Messi lol.

There are many more, konami stats suck.

 

[Desijut]

We need the hexagon stats back, I think everyone preferred that

 

[Makavelian]

Exactly.

So your saying that konami stats are fine?

Just 1 little example:

Ronaldo has better passing stats than Messi lol.

There are many more, konami stats suck.

I never said that.
What I was saying is you can't say konami's got the stats wrong by just comparing the player's overall stats.

 

[Sminky]

Why are we worrying about stats, Chimps and Goalgerd will probably create one of their excellent option files to correct any uber statage.

 

[Zardo]

Stats update need to be something what Konami lacks the most on the last edition. I dunno if it is because thery are lazy or because they are keep watching Ronaldinho games from 05', but there are so many players that are overated and on the same time a lot of players which their stats are just so bad that I can manage why do they create that shitty players which no one will use. And finally the overall I do think is a good thing I like it since there are some players that might not be that skillful on real life but they are good on their actual positions, they just need to do it right

 

[DONKENFAP]

i put this in the official suggestions section but i don't think much activity goes there

The demo is great but has a problem with the A.I. not working to get the ball (even on hardest difficulty) hard enough.

It's especially noticeable if you hold the ball in your own half and dance it between the CBs and GK; the opposition center-forward will try and apply pressure but he never receives support so you can easily hold the ball in your own half indefinitely.

Not as bad as FIFA12 (which literally had no A.I. routine for the situation whatsoever), however since the players in PES2013 do respond to the situation it should just be a matter of tweaking them to respond a bit more aggressively to possession.

Maybe tweak the A.I. to respond aggressively when possession reaches a certain level of favor for the player, currently I find it too easy to have 90% possession across the field.

I guess since online play is common these days having strong A.I. is not so important, but I still love Master League D:

 

[Chimps]

Hopefully I can upgrade my stats from last year as soon as install 2013

The only problem might come from me not applying the last konami patch on 2012 as it took me so long to get the game play how I wanted it and this may stop me upgrading

If anyone has my last file and then updated to 1.06, you should be able to directly upgrade the OF including th stats

 

[Amateur]

My guess is that KONAMI will set the foundations on the PS3 as their initial plan was to use it on the PS4. However, they would use parts of the fox engine on to the PS3 so next year would mean a game with a new engine but that new engine would be restricted to what it can do on the PS3. I can see what you're saying about EA coming up with something better, but because the engine won't be used to its potential on the PS3, there could still be a big jump with Konami from PS3 to PS4.

Also, I think next year could be the year for Konami, not the PS4 era because many FIFA fans have converted to PES after this demo so when they play the demo this time next year, there will be a lot more which will close the PES and FIFA sales down as in 2011 when PES 2012 and FIFA 12 were released, FIFA only outsold PES 2.6:1. Also, the animation side to PES will be groundbreaking.

A very logical point. Though my "fear" as consumer who has absolutely no stake in it, is that even if about a 60% of the true potential of the Fox Engine is implemented into the franchise before the PS4 comes out, that Konami might end up destroying their franchise by making a mistake that cannot be repeated: using the analog as a 360 directional d-pad instead of how it should be used.

Konami needs to understand that the d-pad is just a dead horse way past his expiration date, the new engine, if implemented on the PS3, should not work around the same control scheme that PES has used for the last decade or so: the PS4 simulation games, will be based around analog control, d-pad control will be terminated.... Konami should know that by know.

If Konami implements the Fox Engine, and yet the control scheme remains the same old d-pad based system: direct analog without the assistance of any other button, and the ball carrier starts running through space, even though you are not pressing the "running" button or buttons..... Then that will truly be game over for Konami's franchise, because that would mean that the PS4 will be a repeat of what we've seen throughout the PS3's lifespan.

Konami comes out with fluid animations even better than the ones FIFA's offered so far (which honestly, is not saying much, considering the capacity of a PS3 console), but the control scheme, the execution of the entire game, still is based around the same old d-pad system, which means that the analog is in actual fact just a d-pad high on drugs, as is currently the case with both PES12 and FIFA12.

Then EA Sports, already confident and showing a bit of arrogance about it, comes up with a new engine which works around completely new controls, feels and looks superior in comparison to the outdated turd that PES would be, and there you have a repeat of the last five years.

So my point is, I'm actually in favor of implementing the Fox Engine as soon as possible, but I fear that in doing so, Konami might overlook the fact that implementing a new engine -at this very critical stage in the evolution of video games: moving from the extremely disappointing 360 degree d-pad which can be found on almost all PS3 games, to true analog control- should not only affect the look and feel of the game, but in this quite exceptional case, should completely change the way the controls work.

Of course, Konami's massive mistake during the PS3 era, was thinking that PES6, a video game which was designed around the eight directional d-pad, was close to perfection: satisfaction, narrow mindedness, was the crucial mistake. Hopefully, if the Fox Engine is implemented next year, I hope to see some fundamental changes made to the decade old control scheme, as that would signal that Konami is in good shape for the PS4. If not, well then, maybe the PES franchise won't be lucky enough to survive on extremely outdated games this time.

 

[Thori]

What time (GMT) is the demo up on PSN tomorrow?

another spambot...

anyways..

im hoping that pes 2013 will have a classic spain.

 

[lewyp1]

Whatever they do in the full game, they better not mess with the shooting, the shooting in the demo is so much better than PES 2012 especially when set to manual shooting. One thing I do think they should change is the blur during celebrations and replays, so unnecessary.

 

[abu97]

I'm actually finding shooting too boring because I can score a screamer everytime and that satisfactions gone for now. Its way too easy on assisted and that'll make people abuse the power of CR7 online

 

[DIECI]

Whatever they do in the full game, they better not mess with the shooting, the shooting in the demo is so much better than PES 2012 especially when set to manual shooting. One thing I do think they should change is the blur during celebrations and replays, so unnecessary.

im intrigued by the maual shooting but I dont understand how it works, seems very sensitive.... I guess Im so used to PEs2012 where you have to point so much dowards the direction you want the shot to go if not it will go to the goalie....

 

[Desijut]

im intrigued by the maual shooting but I dont understand how it works, seems very sensitive.... I guess Im so used to PEs2012 where you have to point so much dowards the direction you want the shot to go if not it will go to the goalie....

I had that problem, I stayed on assisted lol

 

[Gibelini]

When you shoot from distance to goal and one of your players is in the direct line of the shot on offside position, they will try to avoid the shot. Just noticed that, dont know if they had that in previous pes games buts its pretty cool.

 

[OCKRASS]

I'm actually finding shooting too boring because I can score a screamer everytime and that satisfactions gone for now. Its way too easy on assisted and that'll make people abuse the power of CR7 online

Yep....you guys are just catching up..

I said this loong time ago.

 

[abu97]

Yep....you guys are just catching up..

I said this loong time ago.

Its because I don't get many chances to shoot and if you noticed before, I also said that after a few days after the release

 

[menaceuk]

anybody got tips for heading the ball ?

I have scored one headed goal from like 1000 crosses and rarely even get it to go on target.

:erm:

 

[MozzyEng]

When you do a through ball to one of your players, How come he runs in a straight line and you cant control him? A bit frustrating!. Penalties are the same as 2012 to. If you make your keeper dive to his right you save about 80% of them. Still enjoying the game though. To the above poster, I could never score headers off corners in 2012. I play short one two corners now and whip it in. I get a lot more success by doing this. The crossing feels different in 2013, But better. I thought it was a lot easier to score off crosses in 2012

 

[SteEagles27]

dunno if this has been done before or not but i thought i would c+p this from wikipedia anyway

player id confirmed

Premier League
Robin van Persie
Theo Walcott
Eden Hazard
Fernando Torres
John Terry
Steven Gerrard
Pepe Reina
Luis Suárez
Sergio Agüero
Mario Balotelli
Joe Hart
Vincent Kompany
Samir Nasri
David Silva
Carlos Tévez
Yaya Touré
Wayne Rooney
Nani
Shinji Kagawa
Hatem Ben Arfa
Dimitar Berbatov
Gareth Bale
Rafael van der Vaart

Ligue 1
Zlatan Ibrahimović
Jeremy Menez
Thiago Silva
Yoann Gourcuff
Hugo Lloris
Steve Mandanda

Bundesliga
Mario Gómez
Philip Lahm
Arjen Robben
Frank Ribery
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
Robert Lewandowski
Mario Götze

Serie A
Wesley Sneijder
Gianluigi Buffon
Pato
Andrea Pirlo
Antonio Cassano
Robinho
Edison Cavani
Marek Hamšík
Diego Milito
Francesco Totti
Daniele De Rossi

Eredivisie
Van der Wiel
Christian Eriksen
Liga ZON Sagres
Hulk
João Moutinho

Liga BBVA
Falcao
Diego
Iniesta
Lionel Messi
Alexis Sánchez
Carles Puyol
Xavi
Karim Benzema
Iker Casillas
Angel di Maria
Kaká
Mesut Özil
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo

Russian Premier League
Keisuke Honda
Andrei Arshavin

Ukraine Premier League
Luiz Adriano
Eduardo
Série A Brasileirão
Neymar
Ganso
Dedè
Diego Souza
Fagner
Juninho Pernambucano
Jefferson
Clarence Seedorf
Rever
Ronaldinho
Andres D'Alessandro
Cortes Bruno
Ralf
Paulinho
Fred

Primera División De Argentina
Juan Roman Riquelme
David Trezeguet
Maxi Rodríguez
Mauro Camoranesi
Rolando Schiavi
Clemente Rodriguez

 

[SteEagles27]

game modes confirmed

Game Modes
Exhibition
Challenge
Become a Legend - Player
Become a Legend - Goalkeeper
Become a Legend - Head Coach
Master League
League
Competition - Cup
Training