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Pro Evo 2012 vs FIFA 12

christoph2011

Registered User
im really thinking ov jumping ship to fifa 12 ive played pes ever since this is football, never really enjoyed fifa but this years pes theres just too many bugs to enjoy, i dont want to trade in pes only to find fifa is worse

so can anyone give me sensible cons and pros of fifa?

like whats the gameplay like, movement of players, teams camping on the edge of the box?
 

DIECI

Registered User
I went to a FIFA forum yesterday to see how things are and let me tell you, ppl cry and bitch there just as much if not more than ppl do here about PES. All you have to do is substitute the name of the game and you have the same complaints and bitching.... I'll go over and copy some for you so could see how laughable it is.


Here are some remarks from FIFA12 players from their forum :

http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1186323.page
I tried everything to like the game, including buying PC version, but after 2 months trying to like the game, i just give up, and dump FIFA 12 for good., and switch back to FIFA 11, the reason is:

1. Awful Scripting Game, home many goal that you can score from 1-2 so easily and other type scripting goal. I dont feel as satisfied as I was playing FIFA 11. Just one two using Benzema and Ronaldo or Messi and Iniesta/Villa, , Then Goal.

2. Awful TD, it sounds good in concept but, its being implemented awfully. Some ppl says its so easy and some ppl
says its too hard. For me LD is beeter, thoes who play double pressu will somehow failed if you play good player in FIFA 11.

3. The way you up the rank, you will find 8/10 ppl. using 4231, and just TD let Defender do auto tackling.

4. No more teamplay goal like FIFA 11, just use Ronaldo and Messi pace and do 1-2 and GOAL!! pathetic goal to rutter.

5. Why on eath does EA invent precision dribbling where its the same function as pace control RB.

6. What annoys me most is collusion control, once your defender collided witn attackers, Defender just like being hypnotized and just saw attacked your hapless keeper

7. Even there is occasional LAG in FIFA 11, its manageable because playing movement is smoother but in FIFA 12, with LAG its almost impossible to contol player Rutter is so stupid to introduce stupid precision dribbling.

There is so many list thats annoys me but Thats all for now, maybe there is someone who like the game and i just say have fun and enjoy the game

But not for me and next year when FIFA 13 comes out, i wont pre oder just like i did in FIFA 09, FIFA 10 and FIFA 11.
I will try to play my friends copy first and try it before i decided to buy.

and those who maybe i say i'm noob, my WDL is 30-5-20, and most of the time i play unranked match.



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http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1181754.page
Before any of you call me crappy im in division 1 and have been there since i got there within the first week.

This isnt just me because ive noticed a few people from fvpa forums say this, But the game really gets boring now, I played FIFA11 for the whole entire year, I had withdrawal symptoms if i didnt get at least 1 game in a day. Now i get bored after 2 games online, Ive only just started playing again after a week and half without even being botherd to put the disk in. I dont know what it is. I cant even manage to play 3 games in a career mode without reverting to turning it off with boredom.

I think its 5 things for me

1. The defending gets boring.
2. The CPU on world class is unbeleivable.
3. There is no sound when you kick the ball.
4. I cant win a game with Porto so must use other teams that im not intrested in using.
5. The pitch's for benfica, Sporting and Porto look like a sewer bog at night time.
6. Sick of giving away penalties that are clearly not * penalties.

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http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1188163.page
Playing online beat this absolute noob 5-0 earlier today, 2 hours later we play again, I go 1-0 up in the first 2 minutes somehow I clear the ball Rooney chests it past puyol and pique from 30 yards and just strolls into my box as my defense stands there and does *, whatever, 1-1 and i knew how bad he was from earlier, he then clears the ball and Nani out jumps puyol on the halfway line and Hernandez runs twice as fast as Dani alves and gets into my box, valdez saves it and the ball bounces to Rooney who was back defending when this started and then somehow has an open net from 25 yards....
2-1 only on the 30th minute I am outplaying him all over the pitch and have around 70% possesion, he accidently shoots with his all out assisted controls fromhalfway and instead of simply catching the lolly-pop of a shot valdez runs to the edge of the box and palms it away... surprise suprise the ball bounces right to Hernandez who is turned in the other direction and somehow manages to do a 360 volley from 30 yards and score while valdez is still out of position.
I manage to score with Messi to make it 3-2 at halftime, for some reason after half time my team is unresponsive and start to miss the easiest chances and Xavi Iniesta and Fabregas cannot pass it for *, the slightest tap of the Y button and the ball would rocket away as if it had full power,.
Kind of sick of people who say "momentum doesn't exist you're just unlucky" luck doesn't explain losing to an absolutely * opponent who you beat earlier 5-0 with the same teams, it also doesn't explain why my through balls and passes stop working or why my defence and goalkeeper turn in 3rd tier players, not to mention all of my finesse shots despite the power go over the bar
Here are the stats from this Match
: Possession MU 32% Barcelona 68%
:Shots MU 5 Barcelona 14
:On Target MU 4 Barcelona 9
:Final Score MU 4 Barcelona 2

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http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1187426.page
Has anyone notice how stupid the AI is in defending set pieces. So I give away a freekick either near the corner flag or just past the half way line , why the hell is RIO and VIDIC and SMALLING all in the wall while anderson rafael are in the box defending against Adebayor/ Crouch. The set piece is not going to be a shot at goal rather a cross into the box. How f-in stupid is this game?

Not only that , winning headers in this game is also a joke. How the hell do you win a one to one header? I get in the right position with vidic but he completly misses the blumin ball, and in another instance a cross came in and all it was faily simple to clear it away with a header but the AI decides to make Jones do a bycle kick in the air but he misses it.

WTF!


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http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1188263.page
Let me preface this post by saying that I actually enjoy Fifa 12 for the most part. I will not be selling or trading this game in, partly due to the fact that it was a gift and because MW3 was released. I'll attempt to keep this short because I know how many of you dislike reading anything over 500 characters (this will probably be more).

Here is a short list of examples:
- Finesse shots are way too overpowered. They look and feel unrealistic as I score them or they are scored on me. They are difficult to accomplish in real life yet incredibly simple to execute even from long range in Fifa 12. I would at least encourage scaling back this specific shot type to semi or manual especially online.
- The rapid addition of TD and Impact Engine. Although the idea of these two things make the experience of gameplay brilliant, more enjoyable and realistic, they seem to have been smashed into a game that is almost unable to handle that sort of pressure. I often see players legs bending up onto their backs while running, highly rated defenders bouncing into each other giving away 1v1 situations with the keeper, fouls that should be at least yellow or red go unbooked and add in a little lag and your in for a frustrating match.
- The pace or speed of players seems inconsistent from match to match. Some games I'm blazing past some of the quicker defenders in the game with players who aren't super speedy. Other games I cannot round the corner and beat the slowest CB's in the game with players like Lennon or Nilmar.
- Lobbed through balls. Too effective from players with weaker passing attributes, unstoppable from the likes of a Xavi. When I play matches I expect them to be somewhat similar to or mimic the ebb and flow of a real 90 minute football game. I really don't see how anyone could enjoy a constant and ridiculous lofted through ball spam all game. It feels too robotic.
- The tempo of games. The ball moves too slowly sometimes, the tempo is quick too often. No teams counter attack every possession while holding high pressure. Even Barca will force turnovers and then switch back to a slow build. There should be limitations.

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IronCity

Banned
Thats the problem, I know we all have complaints about PES, and FIFA players have complaints about FIFA. Arkham City users have complaints about Arkham City. Nothing is perfect. I often believe the complaints about FIFA are enough to keep me from the game but I am a PES player. If I was a FIFA player and read the PES comments I would shy away from migrating over as well. FIFA is teasing me over and over again with its pretty good looks.

Time to at least rent; but thanks to Netflix killing Blockbuster and Blockbuster killing mom & pop, I can't just go out and rent it tonight. I have to mail order the damn thing. Sick of that culture. Thanks Netflix for ruining everything.....and then raising your prices and killing yourself. Now we will have nothing.
 

Gato

Cat O' War!!
I buy PES and FIFA every year, and play them both equally during the season.
This is the first year I traded FIFA. Got Batman Arkham City instead.
This year FIFA is really broken.
 

DIECI

Registered User
Thats the problem, I know we all have complaints about PES, and FIFA players have complaints about FIFA. Arkham City users have complaints about Arkham City. Nothing is perfect. I often believe the complaints about FIFA are enough to keep me from the game but I am a PES player. If I was a FIFA player and read the PES comments I would shy away from migrating over as well. FIFA is teasing me over and over again with its pretty good looks.

Time to at least rent; but thanks to Netflix killing Blockbuster and Blockbuster killing mom & pop, I can't just go out and rent it tonight. I have to mail order the damn thing. Sick of that culture. Thanks Netflix for ruining everything.....and then raising your prices and killing yourself. Now we will have nothing.


download the demo and try that. It feels kinda similar to PES actually when you switch the controls on your controller to PES buttons.
 

fick

Registered User
Nice to see those posts from the FIFA forum. Good to see the general level of spelling and grammar are just as poor as on here. :folarm:
 

baangus

Registered User
"This year FIFA is really broken."

If you have the PC version and are willing to spend a bit of time creating custom CPU tactics and even doing a bit of player editing, FIFA 12 is entirely salvagable, even downright good. Yes, the default gameplay is near broken (is arcade garbage, more like), but I'm having a blast with it now that I've spent some time tweaking it.
 

CACR25

Registered User
"This year FIFA is really broken."

If you have the PC version and are willing to spend a bit of time creating custom CPU tactics and even doing a bit of player editing, FIFA 12 is entirely salvagable, even downright good. Yes, the default gameplay is near broken (is arcade garbage, more like), but I'm having a blast with it now that I've spent some time tweaking it.

While that may be true, the buyer(us) should not have to go through so many hoops to get a decent game out of pes 2012. We pay hard earned money for a good game, not what they are selling us now. :angry:
 

baangus

Registered User
"While that may be true, the buyer(us) should not have to go through so many hoops to get a decent game out of pes 2012. We pay hard earned money for a good game, not what they are selling us now."

I agree. But at the same time, if someone wants to play a decent football game this year, it looks like tweaking is going to be necessasry either way as PES 2012 looks like a broken disaster also. So it's tweaking or nothing. And I have the time to spend, so tweaking for me is the answer. And like I said, I'm completely happy with the results and feel like I now have a football game to play for the year.

On another note, anyone else having trouble with the quote button on this forum? For two days now, I can't get it to work.
 

abu97

Registered User
"While that may be true, the buyer(us) should not have to go through so many hoops to get a decent game out of pes 2012. We pay hard earned money for a good game, not what they are selling us now."

I agree. But at the same time, if someone wants to play a decent football game this year, it looks like tweaking is going to be necessasry either way as PES 2012 looks like a broken disaster also. So it's tweaking or nothing. And I have the time to spend, so tweaking for me is the answer. And like I said, I'm completely happy with the results and feel like I now have a football game to play for the year.

On another note, anyone else having trouble with the quote button on this forum? For two days now, I can't get it to work.
Which way do you use to quote messages
 

g221911g

Registered User
FOR CONSOLE USERS WANTING A MULTIPLAYER EXPERIENCE:

Pes is not even a game to be taken seriously. Every single facet of the game is scripted. Because the engine is so primitive, there is only an action-reaction sequence throughout the game. Which means 'one person good, one person bad'. In other words, a forced reaction to any action from the other user....irrelevant of input.

So when someone does something, the other user is thrown into an animation WITHOUT FAIL. This works both ways depending on which team konami is ridiculously and unrealisticly pushing at the time.

The new controls are only there as an illusion to mask the same pathetic effort we have been seeing for the past four years. Seriously, if you can learn the triggers, and konami is pushing your side (which is just a lame cover for 'one person good, one person bad') by using it's various stupid gimmicks, it is possible to get a shot on goal every time you get the ball.

I can't speak for those of you who can fix this garbage on your PC. I also can't speak for those of you who mostly play AI/offline.

But multiplayer/online? Absolute garbage.

When the game is on your side, it doesn't matter what button you press, which formation you are in, or anything else. Things will go your way. All you have to do is put in the slightest effort.

I could sit here and list the faults all day, and I have, so I won't here. But I really don't understand those of you who say the game engine has changed one bit in 4 years. It hasn't. It's only new (PISS POOR) animations that play out so far from reality it's amusing.

I would say that there is no way they are making enough money to continue putting out games. However, I'm beginning to think this is false because they aren't putting anything into them (thought, innovation, etc), so the increasingly diminishing sales must still be worth it.

And this is in no way a plug for FIFA. I know it will have it's share of faults. I am, however, very interested to try it for the freedom it allows as opposed to being forced into movements and held there when I try to fight back.

I imagine the online clubs (11v11) will be much more enjoyable this year with the new defending system.
 

DIECI

Registered User
Blah Blah Blah Blah... bunch of BS! I play with a friend online, we have played probably close to 50 games since the game came out. I beat him 85% of the time, with a few ties in there and an occasional loss no matter what team he uses. Even when he uses Barca and I pick Palermo or Fiorentina, while I struggle to beat him I still do. He did manage to beat me with his Barca 1-0 vs my Fiorentina the other day.

Infact in the last 10 or so games he has scored 1 goal and I've beatin him with Juve or Napoli vs his Braca 5-0 numerious times. Im just a better player, the game doesn't favor me. If your theory was correct he would get many more wins no matter how much better I am.

Too much bs around here lately! TOOOOOO MUCH!!!


FOR CONSOLE USERS WANTING A MULTIPLAYER EXPERIENCE:

Pes is not even a game to be taken seriously. Every single facet of the game is scripted. Because the engine is so primitive, there is only an action-reaction sequence throughout the game. Which means 'one person good, one person bad'. In other words, a forced reaction to any action from the other user....irrelevant of input.

So when someone does something, the other user is thrown into an animation WITHOUT FAIL. This works both ways depending on which team konami is ridiculously and unrealisticly pushing at the time.

The new controls are only there as an illusion to mask the same pathetic effort we have been seeing for the past four years. Seriously, if you can learn the triggers, and konami is pushing your side (which is just a lame cover for 'one person good, one person bad') by using it's various stupid gimmicks, it is possible to get a shot on goal every time you get the ball.

I can't speak for those of you who can fix this garbage on your PC. I also can't speak for those of you who mostly play AI/offline.

But multiplayer/online? Absolute garbage.

When the game is on your side, it doesn't matter what button you press, which formation you are in, or anything else. Things will go your way. All you have to do is put in the slightest effort.

I could sit here and list the faults all day, and I have, so I won't here. But I really don't understand those of you who say the game engine has changed one bit in 4 years. It hasn't. It's only new (PISS POOR) animations that play out so far from reality it's amusing.

I would say that there is no way they are making enough money to continue putting out games. However, I'm beginning to think this is false because they aren't putting anything into them (thought, innovation, etc), so the increasingly diminishing sales must still be worth it.

And this is in no way a plug for FIFA. I know it will have it's share of faults. I am, however, very interested to try it for the freedom it allows as opposed to being forced into movements and held there when I try to fight back.

I imagine the online clubs (11v11) will be much more enjoyable this year with the new defending system.
 

baangus

Registered User
"Which way do you use to quote messages"

I use the Reply/quote button like always, only the quote never comes up, just the current page with everyone's posts. It's been like that for two days now.
 

g221911g

Registered User
Blah Blah Blah Blah... bunch of BS! I play with a friend online, we have played probably close to 50 games since the game came out. I beat him 85% of the time, with a few ties in there and an occasional loss no matter what team he uses. Even when he uses Barca and I pick Palermo or Fiorentina, while I struggle to beat him I still do. He did manage to beat me with his Barca 1-0 vs my Fiorentina the other day.

Infact in the last 10 or so games he has scored 1 goal and I've beatin him with Juve or Napoli vs his Braca 5-0 numerious times. Im just a better player, the game doesn't favor me. If your theory was correct he would get many more wins no matter how much better I am.

Too much bs around here lately! TOOOOOO MUCH!!!

Your defense is your ONE friend???.......????

You weren't serious, were you? It's not about being better. Come off it. You're not better, you just know the glitches (and there are plenty).

My theory is correct, and you just proved it. Your friend just doesn't know how to manipulate the broken game.

You are right about the BS though....
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Also techboy, you can't just show clips of FIFA as you can't judge a game like that- only by a full match.
Also you have to play like you mean it - on legendary and you playing your best and properly like you would with PES to avoid cheating

Where are the videos that tech keeps promising everyone?

I think he may have fallen in love with Fifa or maybe he just cannot produce the errors he thought was in the game.... well..

I can start without a hitch ...fifa best game evaarrr! :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PvTGoFHqU
 

markcross

Banned
Your defense is your ONE friend???.......????

You weren't serious, were you? It's not about being better. Come off it. You're not better, you just know the glitches (and there are plenty).

My theory is correct, and you just proved it. Your friend just doesn't know how to manipulate the broken game.

You are right about the BS though....


HAHAHA i'v heard it all know, so DIECI is not a skillful player he just knows how to manipulate the glitches hahaha, m8 do u know how paranoid u sound lol, sounds to me like u are about as good as DIECI's friend hahaha an u both get owned cos ur most prob both crap at the game....but rather than accept ur crap u prefer to blame the game and say its rigged lol deal with it an stop whinging
 

baangus

Registered User
ockrass and markcross -- Take your baiting BS and ad hom attacks somewhere else. We adults are trying to have a discussion about THE GAMES.

To the mods: See what I mean now about the same 2-3 people trolling this thread?
 

markcross

Banned
ockrass and markcross -- Take your baiting BS and ad hom attacks somewhere else. We adults are trying to have a discussion about THE GAMES.

To the mods: See what I mean now about the same 2-3 people trolling this thread?

listen pal, i'v been a member of this forum for many years now so dont be tryin ur best to get me banned, i will say my opinions regardless if u like them or not, i never troll what i say is how i see it, so grow up and learn sum manners
 

Hunter

BELIEVE
Calm down guys. This thread might be about friendly competition between PES and FIFA, but there's no reason to get so heated over opinions.

Let's take it down a notch please, and remember there are plenty of other people reading and participating in the thread too.
 
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