Right, Time For Some Real Talk on This Fifa/PES Buisness

[Amateur]

Gameplay improvements needed:
FIFA
- Tackling is unrealistic. You just hold a button down and your player completely runs the opposing player over! It feels like American football at times to me. Tackling is an art that is lost in FIFA. You need timing and other factors and not just hold down A.
- Dribbling past the AI is very tough but for the AI is too easy to do the same. Since when is it realistic to the zidane's roulette or maradona's gambeta every time down the pitch? Also how is it that * players can pull off moves that most real football players CAN'T!
- Pressure is an issue. You literally cannot be with the ball at your feet for more than 2 seconds before someone comes in destroying you. Realistic? NOPE!
- Manual passing is impossible too. I have to hold down the pass button ALL THE WAY AND STILL IT DOES NOT MAKE A LONG PASS.
- When you play with the AI they act so retarded is not even funny.

It's easy to say, "fix this.... fix that.... fix that other thing"

But in truth, you have to look beyond that, Konami themselves admitted that PES and ISS and all these video games have been extensions of the "famicom era" -- in other words, PES and FIFA are very outdated where it matters the most.



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Famitsu Magazine:

In an interview in the recent issue of Famitsu, series producer (and originally programmer) Shingo “Seabass” Takatsuka cited the criticisms Winning Eleven has taken over the years, particularly in Europe, and promised for this year a Winning Eleven that’s been powered up many levels.

The updates will come in both graphics and gameplay areas. Winning Eleven games until now, he said, have been just extensions of the Famicom era. Players were fine with this through the PlayStation 2 , but the development staff now need to change their concepts and ideas to something more appropriate for the new generation machines like Xbox 360 and PS3.

http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/famitsu-reveal-first-pes-2011-details/
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The whole dribbling and man-marking in FIFA is shit, because it does not have proper dribbling and man-marking physics, even when you predict that something will happen.... you do not have the physics required to prevent it from happening time and time again.

Try the following: direct the left analogue stick WITHOUT the assistance of the SPRINT button....

You have to take a look at how the left analogue stick is being used today, and how it was used 10 years ago, and there lies the problem to why EA Sports has not fixed their core issues.... even when they were, apparently, ahead of PES and had two years to do it.

Yeah you have a brilliant point, it has always been outdated, since the SNES believe it or not, KONAMI have admitted that they use the same design techniques since that era obviously to a much more advanced approach but at the core it is the same.

Famitsu Magazine:

In an interview in the recent issue of Famitsu, series producer (and originally programmer) Shingo “Seabass” Takatsuka cited the criticisms Winning Eleven has taken over the years, particularly in Europe, and promised for this year a Winning Eleven that’s been powered up many levels.

The updates will come in both graphics and gameplay areas. Winning Eleven games until now, he said, have been just extensions of the Famicom era. Players were fine with this through the PlayStation 2 , but the development staff now need to change their concepts and ideas to something more appropriate for the new generation machines like Xbox 360 and PS3.

He wouldn’t give share specifics about what kind of changes to expect, but he did say that the area of the game that most clearly shows the changes is the relationship between AI and player motions.

The changes will have an effect on how the game controls, said Takatsuka. Until now, they’ve had a “Famicom-like” belief that good controls means fast movement. But it isn’t this simple. Particularly on the new hardware, this type of thinking will lead to players being too fast.

Yeah you have a brilliant point, it has always been outdated, since the SNES believe it or not, KONAMI have admitted that they use the same design techniques since that era obviously to a much more advanced approach but at the core it is the same.

I think if my memory serves me right, i could be wrong here the closest I have seen to your description was one of the games on the PS1 where you had 3 different dribbling speeds via different buttons besides the d-pad, i know thats not really comparable to your vision/concept but i think its the closest so far. I don't know why they don't change the physics tbh, they seem to be just trying to regain their title of the cream of footy games using this engine at the moment, but I agree with you when it boils down to it and you really look at what you've got, its very out-dated and a different approach is necessary.

Since the SNES..... believe it or not.... pretty much says it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Konami_games#Famicom_.2F_NES

Since 1985 since Konami started using the Famicom Concept; and here we are in year 2010, listening, from Konami themselves, how all the PES games until now.... have been extensions of the Famicom Era.

We have a 99.9% majority of fans, talking about stupid AI, rubbish GKs, bad refereeing, floaty ball, clunky animations; WHEN the gameplay concept, which is by far the most important thing because it is the very foundation which sustains the AI, is simply not good enough at its very core.... It doesn't matters how polished it is, the gameplay concept is, has always been, and will always be, dumb and stupid, because it is a very old concept.

Simply put, smart AI is not a game changer, when the foundation on which it stands, is very old....... 25 years old to be exact, according to wikipedia.

When Konami admits that the Winning Eleven games until now, have been just extensions of the Famicom era; when Konami says that PES11 should have been PES08: that pretty much tells you everything you need to know.

Anyone who understands the simple mechanics of real life football, should know that the defensive concept of PES and FIFA and ISS, is broken and has little to do with football.

And anyone who knows how it could change and how it could improve, should know, that before making that change.... you need to have a substantial and precise dribbling and man-marking system.

Konami said, in the Famitsu article, that they needed to change their concepts and ideas to something more appropriate for the new generation machines like Xbox 360 and PS3; yet, let it be clear...... that PES11 has not changed the concept nor the idea in any way, it still is the very same outdated concept at its core.

The left analogue stick: determines HOW you run with the ball, WHEN you run with the ball, and the DISTANCE COVERED with the ball.....

This is the elephant in the room that nobody dares to mention. And I don't need to go and play the SNES.... to understand why this is such a massive flaw.

 

[OCKRASS]

Alot of good points made here.

PES's defensive system is ass, no doubt about it.

Im gonna lay down the gauntlet right now.

I think its going to be real difficult from now on for anyone to argue that FIFA11 can compete with PES2011 in terms of depth. For reasons which are already well documented in this thread.

I think soon, we will all be ready to talk about next years games...... EA sports are gonna be on the ropes BIG TIME, I .

Sup Tech_Skill

I must first remind you that because YOU say FIFA 11 is shit ....this does not mean that it is. There are several reasons that may have contributed to YOUR decision ...which are

1. You are shit at the game! Fifa requires some skill.

2. You are shit at the game! Fifa requires some skill.

Don't just come here and blast the best footie game on the market. Although PES has made some improvement, it is noooo-where near Fifa's spectacular simulation of the game. A couple pluses for Fifa.

Fifa
Animations are the best ever seen on any console
AI is the best ever seen on any console. This includes defending. For the person who said defending is easy and you can just hold the button and push a player off.....not true. Attackers can push back.

Passing is realistic and shooting has improved.
Pro Passing is evident in the game. Not to the extent of PES where Messi/CR9 are gods but enough where important passes are more accurate with players with higher passing stat. Although this is not always true in 100% of the passes. Some are intercepted, some go wayward. .....you know ...like in real football.


And now PES...

The game looks great. Menus look smashing.

But the game has moved to a arcadish feel. Christmas lights, Pumpkin Heads, and wrapped candy as the ball is not a part of any football simulation i know.

Passing has been fucked in PES. As reported, it will now take a normal gamer a total of 30 games to "get the feel" of PES passing system. After decades on PES, i cannot pass a ball to save my life.

Players still shooting rockets at goal from any distance.
Animation and collision ...still horrid.
Online ...still not working for all...some but not all.


Do i need to go on.

Fifa is the #1 on the market not because of a "multi-million dollar advertisement" stunt as many idiots here have tried to make us believe, but because we have decided it is the better game on the market to date.

Does fifa have bugs and flaws......it sure does.

But so does COD MW2. Who do you know in real life gets shot and all blooded, then sit or crouch in a corner until it all clears up and is back gunning again?

Its called Video Games!

Fifa 11 Rules :w00t
PES Suck Balls :blush:

 

[OCKRASS]

That's an interesting thought,

.....you never actually say anything worth reading.

.... I do not think mental illnesses are something to be laughing about.

.

Ohh :huh: And you do?

I am not laughing at your mental illness or retardation, I am just amazed that you seem not to recognize that there is something wrong with you.
Jesus Christ man, you have already written three novels in this thread alone about stuff that only you alone understand. Stuff that has no bearing to any game being discussed.

But again, you will not understand anything i am saying now ...will ya.


Smart ppl (like me) never argue with an idiots! Because those on the outside, will never be able to tell which one is which.

Peace out dude....remember to take your meds

 

[Tech_Skill]

Sup Tech_Skill

I must first remind you that because YOU say FIFA 11 is shit ....this does not mean that it is. There are several reasons that may have contributed to YOUR decision ...which are

1. You are shit at the game! Fifa requires some skill.

2. You are shit at the game! Fifa requires some skill.

Yea, this is how shit I am at Fifa 11, on world class with 3rd choice goalkeepers and defenders in the midfield and players like xavi and Messi in the centre back position with strikers in goal.

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165993

Ohhhh, Hold on a sec, Im pinging it about for laugh in midfield, wow, What a skillful game, man you know what the CPU AI is sooooo intelligent, it was killing my centre back partnership of Messi and Xavi because they are not proper defenders.........OH WAIT XAVI IS DOMINATING HUGE CENTRE FORWARDS LIKE AMAURI.....

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165540

Aww man dis game juss lik reel lyfe and everyfin.............

Difference between me and you, I TEST games, you PLAY games.

This includes defending. For the person who said defending is easy and you can just hold the button and push a player off.....not true. Attackers can push back.

:lmao:

Defending aint easy right? Thats why I can put messi and xavi and centre back and they can barge big target men off the ball as seen by the above video right? Defending in fifa is a JOKE, hold down the tackle button, player gets tackled, player stats mean so little in this shit game it hardly matter who plays in defence or midfield.

Passing is realistic and shooting has improved.
Pro Passing is evident in the game. Not to the extent of PES where Messi/CR9 are gods but enough where important passes are more accurate with players with higher passing stat. Although this is not always true in 100% of the passes. Some are intercepted, some go wayward. .....you know ...like in real football.

Right, lets talk about the ''Realistic passing'' in FIFA. the rate of completed passes is a JOKE, I put defenders in midfield and they end up with pass completion stats of 90%. Some passes go ''wayward'' (they actually very rarely go wayward in terms of direction) because pro passing is a CONTEXUAL ERROR SYSTEM, aka, after a certain amount of passes have been made, the CPU decides to make a pass under or overhit in order to stop people one touch passing it all time, this is how EA tackled ping pong yea, its not like they are just going wayward because your using a poorer passer. Aka, EA sports dont actually resolve core issues, they gloss over one issue with another issue.

Personally If you like Fifa11, that fine by me, personally.... seeing how happy you are with this abortion of a game which has barely improved since fifa09 it seems that you like being fucked in the ass and then robbed, which is your prerogative, but If I were you, I'd keep it to yourself and at least try to disguise it with a semi-sensible argument.

 

[Amateur]

Sup Tech_Skill

I must first remind you that because YOU say FIFA 11 is shit ....this does not mean that it is. There are several reasons that may have contributed to YOUR decision ...which are

1. You are shit at the game! Fifa requires some skill.

2. You are shit at the game! Fifa requires some skill.

Don't just come here and blast the best footie game on the market. Although PES has made some improvement, it is noooo-where near Fifa's spectacular simulation of the game. A couple pluses for Fifa.

Fifa
Animations are the best ever seen on any console
AI is the best ever seen on any console. This includes defending. For the person who said defending is easy and you can just hold the button and push a player off.....not true. Attackers can push back.

Passing is realistic and shooting has improved.
Pro Passing is evident in the game. Not to the extent of PES where Messi/CR9 are gods but enough where important passes are more accurate with players with higher passing stat. Although this is not always true in 100% of the passes. Some are intercepted, some go wayward. .....you know ...like in real football.


And now PES...

The game looks great. Menus look smashing.

But the game has moved to a arcadish feel. Christmas lights, Pumpkin Heads, and wrapped candy as the ball is not a part of any football simulation i know.

Passing has been fucked in PES. As reported, it will now take a normal gamer a total of 30 games to "get the feel" of PES passing system. After decades on PES, i cannot pass a ball to save my life.

Players still shooting rockets at goal from any distance.
Animation and collision ...still horrid.
Online ...still not working for all...some but not all.


Do i need to go on.

Fifa is the #1 on the market not because of a "multi-million dollar advertisement" stunt as many idiots here have tried to make us believe, but because we have decided it is the better game on the market to date.

Does fifa have bugs and flaws......it sure does.

But so does COD MW2. Who do you know in real life gets shot and all blooded, then sit or crouch in a corner until it all clears up and is back gunning again?

Its called Video Games!

Fifa 11 Rules :w00t
PES Suck Balls :blush:

That is were you are wrong, see, your opinion is ALSO not a fact.

By the way, why did shit games like FIFA 2005 sold more copies than PES5?

I guess, it was not because of marketing, I guess it was because FIFA 2005 was the better game? Right?

I think FIFA11 is a shit game, and I am very skillful in FIFA11. Actually, I have played all FIFA games since FIFA 1998..... When did you joined FIFA? In 2009? 2010?

Dude, you are always talking about what YOU think, anything that YOU don't agree with, YOU think is rubbish: your argument is redundant, you should know why that is.

Ohh :huh: And you do?

I am not laughing at your mental illness or retardation, I am just amazed that you seem not to recognize that there is something wrong with you.
Jesus Christ man, you have already written three novels in this thread alone about stuff that only you alone understand. Stuff that has no bearing to any game being discussed.

But again, you will not understand anything i am saying now ...will ya.


Smart ppl (like me) never argue with an idiots! Because those on the outside, will never be able to tell which one is which.

Peace out dude....remember to take your meds

Smart people....

Yeah, that is were you are wrong, you see.... Smart people do not judge a person by basing their opinion on what that person thinks about a video game.

You know why smart people do not do that? Because that is a waste of time, you cannot psychoanalyze a person, basing your analysis on what that person thinks about a video game.

There is something wrong with me? Because? Have you seen my face, have you heard my voice, have you seen my physical condition, have you ever seen me, do you know what I do on a daily basis?

No.... you don't know shit about me, yet you already seem to know enough to suggest that I am "mentally retarded" -- your words.

You describe yourself as someone smart and you describe myself as someone dumb who seems to have problems recognizing that there is something wrong with him.

In truth, you are one of the dumbest persons I have had the misfortune of dealing with, and you think the people who like PES are noobs who just happen to suck at FIFA; I can tell you right know that I do not suck at FIFA, I just think it is a shit game with absolutely no depth.

The fact that you think your opinion is a fact, the fact that you describe yourself as a "smart" person, the fact that you think FIFA actually requires "skill" *LMAO* highlights how much of a cunt you really are, a dumb and yet arrogant cunt.... who thinks his opinion is above others, who describes himself as a "smart" person and describes others as "idiots".

The fact that you self-proclaim yourself as "smart" is pathetic. And the fact that you never say smart things, is just further proof of the obvious.

You are pathetic, you are making fun of mental illnesses, AGAIN. If at some point in your life, KARMA comes out to get you, and you or someone you love starts suffering from mental illnesses and needs medication.... Let's see how funny you'll find it then "smart" guy; I do not wish that to anybody, but KARMA has no judgment.

Again, if you think you are smart and that I am an idiot, why the fuck do you waste your time, the smart fellow that you are, talking about me behind my back when I never talk about you behind your back?

The things that you do, talking about Amateur when you think he is an idiot with no IQ, are not "smart" at all.

Actually, you have invested more time talking about Amateur, than actually coming up with respectable information regarding PES and FIFA.

And I ask, what the fuck have I ever done to you?

Yea, this is how shit I am at Fifa 11, on world class with 3rd choice goalkeepers and defenders in the midfield and players like xavi and Messi in the centre back position with strikers in goal.

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165993

Ohhhh, Hold on a sec, Im pinging it about for laugh in midfield, wow, What a skillful game, man you know what the CPU AI is sooooo intelligent, it was killing my centre back partnership of Messi and Xavi because they are not proper defenders.........OH WAIT XAVI IS DOMINATING HUGE CENTRE FORWARDS LIKE AMAURI.....

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165540

Aww man dis game juss lik reel lyfe and everyfin.............

Difference between me and you, I TEST games, you PLAY games.

:lmao:

Defending aint easy right? Thats why I can put messi and xavi and centre back and they can barge big target men off the ball as seen by the above video right? Defending in fifa is a JOKE, hold down the tackle button, player gets tackled, player stats mean so little in this shit game it hardly matter who plays in defence or midfield.

LMAO

The thing about that asshole is, he has a huge EGO and yet has absolutely no idea about what he's talking about; he seems to have a very narrow definition for intellect, he describes himself as a "smart"person on a PES forum........... and thinks his opinion is indeed a fact.

Reminds me of the WENB guys, talk, talk, talk, yet they never say anything relevant; giant EGO, but no content in their articles.

At least the WENB guys have the sense and the decency, of acknowledging the difference between personal preference and facts.

 

[James_dean]

Smart ppl (like me) never argue with an idiots! Because those on the outside, will never be able to tell which one is which

U so smart are you?

Didn´t you just write: "Fifa 11 Rules
PES Suck Balls"
?
By writing something like that I would think you have the IQ of a monkey.

 

[Desijut]

You will also remember me destroying both FIFA10 and PES2010 on release and being criticized for throwing Fifa10 in the bin........... by people with less money who couldn't afford to buy it new.

oh yeah, i remember you critisizing the ping pong passing on day 1 as well!!

You've made some good points pes in this thread, put it in the feedback zone(-swearing LOL)??

 

[Amateur]

U so smart are you?

Didn´t you just write: "Fifa 11 Rules
PES Suck Balls"
?
By writing something like that I would think you have the IQ of a monkey.

Yeah, apparently, "smart" people say things like that; I guess we are just dumb people, as we cannot see the obvious fact that FIFA11 is miles ahead of PES11.

Fifa is the #1 on the market not because of a "multi-million dollar advertisement" stunt as many idiots here have tried to make us believe, but because we have decided it is the better game on the market to date.

Does fifa have bugs and flaws......it sure does.

But so does COD MW2. Who do you know in real life gets shot and all blooded, then sit or crouch in a corner until it all clears up and is back gunning again?

Its called Video Games!

Fifa 11 Rules :w00t
PES Suck Balls :blush:

Never mind the fact that FIFA 2005 sold more copies than PES5, back in the day.

He's just making sure that we, dumb people, know that PES is a video game, and that as far as video games go: FIFA11 rules and PES suck balls....

Apparently, that's what smart people think these days. No wonder the economy is fucked.

 

[wilsybill]

Themost annoying thing for me in PES 2008, 2009 & 10 was the players did not feel "individual". Like Tech said, PES of old always had that over FIFA. You could bring on a tall target man for a quick striker andyour game would be different and the player would play and feel differently on the pitch. FIFA on the other hand has never felt like this. You could play as Real v Barca and then as Man U v Chelsea, and the only thing that would be any different would be the colour of the team strips!

PES has improved massively this year on player individuality alone. I feel the difference when I change tactics and make substitutions. The passing makes you stop and think about your moves and is a massive leap away from arcade football of PES 10. The dribbling for me is slightly better too. You don't always get shoved off the ball by bigger players. One quarter rotation of the L stick or D-ad and you have put your player between you and the CPU player.

I also agree that the defending is annoying. If I am having a blinder and am 1-0 up, it is soul destroying to see a 50 yard through ball go past 3 internatoonal class defenders' feet and into the striker!!! And when I press triangle for the GK to rush out, it takes him an age! I mean the Chilen miners were rescued quicker than my goalie rusheds out!

Defensive flaws aside, the reintroduction of individuality has made PES 11 return to us as a more realistic game.

Tech - reading your comments and F's, B's and C's was great. It's like you have gathered up all of my frustration of PES from PES 2008 to 2010 and released it onto the forum.

I feel cleansed.............

 

[Stormrider]

Dude, you are always talking about what YOU think, anything that YOU don't agree with, YOU think is rubbish: your argument is redundant, you should know why that is.


The thing about that asshole is, he has a huge EGO and yet has absolutely no idea about what he's talking about; he seems to have a very narrow definition for intellect, he describes himself as a "smart"person on a PES forum........... and thinks his opinion is indeed a fact.

These parts I find really funny because you're actually describing yourself lol but to be fair that ockrass fellow is a complete donkey too.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Played a few more games, Im Real Madrid at the moment, I have scored some quality goals in this game, I really wanna upload them but you cant do it on xbox, shame, Ill look into it. The DLC update has improved some players, C Ronaldo is alot better dribbler in my opinion, doing some REAL damage with him and Higiuan at the moment.

However, once I meet the top teams Ill be getting killed cos the defence is way too leaky.

Does anyone know how to upload xbox replays to youtube or summin?

 

[Amateur]

These parts I find really funny because you're actually describing yourself lol but to be fair that ockrass fellow is a complete donkey too.

Not really dude,

If you were not as biased as you are towards me, you would have noticed that I have barely talked about my opinion.

The thing I have talked about the most, is a simple fact: you can cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance... by simply directing the left analogue stick WITHOUT the assistance of a SPRINT button.

The left analogue stick determines HOW you run with the ball, WHEN you run with the ball, and the DISTANCE COVERED with the ball.

That is not my opinion, that is a fact; my opinion is that it could and should improve. Like most fans, you seem to have a hard time distinguishing an opinion from a fact.

By the way, I still think you are pretty much a "donkey" as you say.

I read on another forum that they have replaced the L2 for Select button.

So it's now select + whichever button you have assigned.

Can anyone inform me as to what the hell happened to the ON-THE-FLY L2 STRATEGIES?

If PES11 does not have on-the-fly strategies that I can use on-the-fly however I see fit.... I will not buy PES11.

So I would greatly appreciate if someone with a PES11 copy, could inform me about the L2 STRATEGIES and what Konami has done with Strategies in general.

A game that lacked substance, and you take away the ON-THE-FLY STRATEGIES (which needed to happen) and you do not replace it with a different ON-THE-FLY SYSTEM.

That is a bad decision, FORCING the user into following the COM dictated SCRIPT.... and taking out the only alternative that you had in older PES games.

If Konami found the way of actually FORCING the user into pausing the game.... just so that you can set different formations.... I simply cannot handle that, and I will not bother with PES11 if PES11 works like that.

The L2 STRATEGIES was the only possible way of dictating your own script on-the-fly.

If it is a fact, that we need to PAUSE the game, and that we no longer have ON-THE-FLY STRATEGIES..... I think it shows a clear intention from Konami, going for the superficial and eliminating the substantial.

I hope it isn't true as I was looking forwards to PES11, but if it is, I will not waste my time and my money on PES11.

If it doesn't have an on-the-fly tactical concept, PES11 is clearly not for me. If PES12 is going in that same direction....

Then this is were I stop buying PES, cannot bother myself with such a ridiculous and insulting wide view perspective system..... were everything you do is downright pathetic, because it has no substance in any area of the game.

In the case PES11 has no on-the-fly strategies: the people who say that PES is turning into FIFA, have a point.... it is turning into a stupid arcade game.

If PES11 has no on-the-fly strategies, and PES12 does not offers a new and improved on-the-fly strategies system; this is when you will know that Konami has turned PES into a superficial arcade game.

You improve one area of the game WITHOUT actually replacing the gameplay concept, and the core issues will automatically transfer themselves from one area to another; unfortunately, the area that took the blow this time.... was the very feature that kept me interested in PES games.

If it is true.... that we NEED to pause the game because we do not have on-the-fly strategies in PES11.... yet another year of, two step forwards and two steps backwards: bad decision, again, showing the future of video games.

 

[Stormrider]

Played a few more games, Im Real Madrid at the moment, I have scored some quality goals in this game, I really wanna upload them but you cant do it on xbox, shame, Ill look into it. The DLC update has improved some players, C Ronaldo is alot better dribbler in my opinion, doing some REAL damage with him and Higiuan at the moment.

However, once I meet the top teams Ill be getting killed cos the defence is way too leaky.

Does anyone know how to upload xbox replays to youtube or summin?

I still don't have the game yet so I'm curious what changes they made. Did they upgrade Ronaldo's stats? He had something like 84 agility and 97 dribbling before according to pics I saw. I don't see how much he can improve in dribbling without boosting his dribbling which would be unrealistic because that would make him better or on par with Messi. Boosting his agility wouldn't be too realistic either.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I still don't have the game yet so I'm curious what changes they made. Did they upgrade Ronaldo's stats? He had something like 84 agility and 97 dribbling before according to pics I saw. I don't see how much he can improve in dribbling without boosting his dribbling which would be unrealistic because that would make him better or on par with Messi. Boosting his agility wouldn't be too realistic either.

His dribble style is different im sure of it, before he would take bigger touches on the ball which meant I couldnt use him like messi and go past players just by using body fients and pure turning ablity, his dribble ablity has changed imo, it seems to me like he takes more touches on the ball making him a more dangerous dribbler, im sure that stats are the same, but im sure his dribble style has been improved, I'll re-test at some stage and see if its a placebo effect or not.

 

[Stormrider]

Interesting. You think it could've been just a form arrow affecting things? If not then it's good that they're still improving individuality. See if you notice anyone else behaving better too.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Interesting. You think it could've been just a form arrow affecting things? If not then it's good that they're still improving individuality. See if you notice anyone else behaving better too.

I know it sounds crazy, but when I first dribbled with Ronaldo I was shocked, because I found him really hard to dribble with, as soon as I dribbled with him post DLC, right away I just felt a difference, and sure enough Ive been scoring dirty ass goals which im gonna get on here, even If I have to use a video camera.

Ill double check it, maybe im just getting better at the game.

 

[pes4biggestfan]

good afternoon pes gaming boys,

i had to get on here to voice my disgust at some of the downright rubbish and bullshit being spewed about the whole fifa vs pes craptalk that is going on at present. Obviously opinions are like are like assholes, pretty much everyone has one, but fuck me, there is some a grade bullshit being spoken out there, and it just wouldn't be the same if i didnt stir the shitpot at least one more time for you all.

A few years ago when fifa 09 came out ea were in a position when they really had a chance to nail the pes coffin once and for all, im serious, they had pes on the fucking ropes badly and the fact that there is even a pes vs fifa year battle tells you right away that ea have fucked up, they have fucked up big time. Very simply, ea had the licenses, the animations, the graphics (not as good as pes's but still good) the broadcast authenticity, the game modes, competent online, the big money and this year, they still have that, but here is what they dont have.

Depth.

That 5 letter word you see above is the word that is gonna kill fifa and why pes is probably gonna take over, possibly as soon as next year. Ea sports are not interested in depth, ea sports are interested in gimmicks.

Earlier in the year (i can find the post) i said that ea sports would make some attempt at bringing individuality into the game, but i wasnt sure if it would live up tp the hype promised by ea. Enter "personality +" this is ea talk for "after about 15 years of making football game, the player attributes might actually mean something". Why cant the fuckers just say "look there is going to be increase individuality this year and heres how", why do they have to give everything minor thing a fucking name.

I'm about to go and do a shit as i write this maybe i should start calling it "colon output plus" or "external rectal output pro" its just straight ridiculous. "pro passing" is ea talk for "every now and again the game makes you misplace and pass and make the player take a 1st touch before doing some incredibly unrealistic pass".

But i tell you what, if these features actually fucking worked i'd be alot happier. Lets look at personality +


personality +

basically, this is how much personality fifa 11 has. I put amauri in goal, he was doing world class point blank saves, this despite ea making a big fuss over keeper personality.

I was playmaking with goalkeepers and defenders in midfield, and no matter what the fuck ea say, there is little difference between good defenders and top midfielders in this game. I had cheillini on the wing, the boy had pass completion stats of 11/12 every fucking time. I had bonucci (cb) as a dm and i was spraying it around like xavi.

Yes, sometimes you can tell there is a small difference between certain players, when you are chelsea, alex is not as good a passer as anelka, but the differences between players are not that big, anelka maybe a better passer than alex, but you can still put alex in anelka's position and make some crazy passes. The point here is, once again, once you discount physical attributes, there is little differences between players.

Pro passing

basically, this means if you play buffon in amf, he will take a 1st touch before doing a 180 degree 15 yard throughball. After 30 attempts, he will misplace a pass. 'shit on toast' is the phrase that comes to mind about this "innovation".


The other 'new' shit in this game i cannot even be assed to talk about at the risk of puking. The reason for that is cos the same shit that was fucked up in fifa 09 is still fucked up now.

The tackling is shit personified, this is how you tackle in fifa 11, no timing needed, just hold down the tackle button and iniesta will go on a crazed rampage tramping players down like its the nfl. Seriously, fifa 11, is actually like the nfl in alot of ways, its a bunch of zombies running into each other over and over.

There is no timing of the tackle, slide tackles are shit. Ea tried to say "this year player have different tackling abilities" really??? I had messi at cb and he was like baresi in there. This is why games of fifa (especially online) are pressure trash, no timing of the tackle needed so everyone runs after each other with endless stamina knocking each other flying off the ball, sim my fucking ass.

The dribbling......................the shit gives me the creeps, im serious. No jokes, today i had people tell me that you can do messi like dribbles in fifa 11, in fifa 11 you can dribbling like a spastic, thats about it. The cpu will not let you get past!!!!! Unless you use the trick stick. I saw some videos of people using messi in fifa and it was the most ridiculous shit ive ever seen, and people thought this was realistic. Basically, these fuckers had messi doing 360 roulettes to get past defenders and they were real proud about it as if messi does that shit in real life. Fifa is fundamentally unbalanced when it comes to dribbling, the cpu can dribble past you for jokes, you cant dribble past them. What the fuck kind of football game requires you to use tricks to get past a player.

This is one area pes2011 kills fifa11, you can use messi's superior close control and balance to get past defenders without tricks.

One other thing for now, in fifa, every fucking player has the same 1st touch! Everyone, even the 3rd choice goalkeeper has the same 1st touch as messi!


Look.....................................


Ive had enough of this shit, i told myself this is gonna be the last year i play some gay shit where every player is the same, the game is bugged up, the tactics are shit or dont work, defensive lines are through the fucking roof so every game has about 70 1 on 1's. So i played the pes 2011 demo.


Pes is a robotic piece of shit, still to this day. But....................

It's got real potential...infact, i prefer it to fifa 11 at the moment.

Its less robotic than last year and i like the passing, its sort of manual but not quite because certain players are better passers than others.

You can feel the difference between players, i just had pedro and villa on left wing, and pedro was shit man, seriously, i gotta sort him out, and thats the beauty of pes, cos you dont think like that in fifa, in fifa, i would just sub pedro with victor valdes, thats how shit that game can be at times.

In pes, there is this thing called balance. If your about to take a shot, and i jossle you at the right time, your shot might go flying over the bar, because you had fuck all balance. In fifa this concept doesnt exist, if you had a 200 ton gorilla like drogba jossiling iniesta, iniesta would still do a perfect pass or shot, the jossling animation is there in fifa, the effects are not.

In pes if if i tell the defensive line to stay back, they stay back, i dont see em on the fucking halfway line setting the cpu up for another one on one.

In pes, if im 1-0 down with barca pique comes up from the back just like in real life to join the attack because im guessing its part of his personality defined by the those fucking pokemon card thingys. Still thats very realistic. In fact pes is very good for replicating the way teams play, in pes you cant play barcelona style football every minute, but you can have your team mimic barca very well, with the defensive lines, pressing, and player movement (although aspects of this need improving)

the real pro passing is in pes, in that game passes get misplaced alot more.

Also tackling is better than in fifa demo, when i tried to pressure jossle a player in pes, he went down under the pressure and he got a free kick, cos i unblanced him. So tackles need to be timed in pes.

You have to pay special attention to the top players, in pes, robben's dribble technique is better than the others, so you cant always steam into him, cos he will use close control and raw technique to turn away or beat you, same as with messi, xavi etc. In pes you can shield the ball with smaller players against bigger players by doing little sharps turns to around the player to keep the ball away from the them.

The dribbling is crazy, you can turn defenders inside out, literally, with the right player, no tricks needed.

Lots of things in pes2011 need changing

the defending in pes is very dodgy and really needs fixing up (cpu through balls are too good and defenders stand still and let passes go by them, that is shit)

player movement is shit, but maybe if i fuck around with the pokemon cards i can get players to make more runs.

And other stuff i cant be assed to go into.

But the point is, the game is actually quite technical, and it doesnt really feel pick up and play to me.

Pes is actually starting to look like the game it once was, the football fans game, where individual players and tactics win games and i really respect that. I think though pes has flaws, it might be going in the right directions, in fact once they make a game that moves as fluidly as fifa, fifa is in real trouble.

The problem with this fifa/pes community is feedback. Some people know how to test a game and know what needs changing, some are good at playing a game, but are shit at feedback and some like adam from wenb are fucking shit at everything. Seriously whatever that guy touches turns to shit, he ran off to kiss fifa's ass when he joined and started ruining the fifa soccer blog website (basically he sold out) by spreading his usual misinformation and bullshit. Seriously, the people who konami and ea sports actually listen to are fucking clueless.

There is a guy on this forum called 'amateur' the guy is a fucking loon, but why the fuck isnt he on a fucking plane in japan talking to konami? He fucking knows how to improve football games, same with shaun7 even, but these guys dont get to go, instead these suck ass cunt pieces go...... And they talk the talk about how they are gonna tell konami/ea whats up, and then when they get there they are kissing asses, they are ho's. These bitches need wiping off the face of the earth, im talking about adam neaves, adam from wenb and the rest of the bitches down there, all of them, if konami fucked those guys off, and started listening to proper feedback, they game would improve at a meteoric rate.

This is part of the reason ea fucked up, they dont actually listen to feedback, they invite a bunch of bum bandits to guildford to play the game and the game ends up like shit yet again, so either the feedback is crap or someone aint listening, either way i think its both.

Basically shut down all the other forums and just have evo web and pesgaming, thats where its at, the rest are trash.

Fifa 11 demo is not impressive to me, 3 years on and im seeing the same old shit and personally im sick of it. I want a game thats gonna last more than 3 fucking weeks and ea sports arent interested in that, they are interested in making a game for the 5 year olds who wanna do kick ups in the middle of a game and score a 30 yard volley with titus bramble.

Enough is enough.

Fifa and pes are two different philosophies on football, but this time around, im gonna have to give pes a little credit for making a game which doesnt insult my intelligence and for making a game which makes me think about which players im using, which teams im using, which tactics im using and why. This is the basis of game with some durability. So yea, credit to konami, they have a way to go yet, but if they can build on this, there is something potentially very good coming along soon.

Peace to all the usuals on pesgaming and hammer the feedback forum seriously, its the only way they will sort the game out.

totally 100% agree. Ur the man!

 

[wilsybill]

Hello Amateur:

I think what the other forum meant was that instead of pressing L2 + (for example) triangle, to change tactics - you now have to press select + triangle etc. It is a but of a thumb/finger twister! L2 was much easier to use. I will check tomorrow to see if you can edit thebutton for on-the-fly tactics.

I used to use it to change formations. Would start 4-4-2, but would would switch to attacking 3-4-3 or a defensive 4-5-1 as and when required.

I'll let you know when I confirm if you can change the button from select back to L2.

 

[Amateur]

Hello Amateur:

I think what the other forum meant was that instead of pressing L2 + (for example) triangle, to change tactics - you now have to press select + triangle etc. It is a but of a thumb/finger twister! L2 was much easier to use. I will check tomorrow to see if you can edit thebutton for on-the-fly tactics.

I used to use it to change formations. Would start 4-4-2, but would would switch to attacking 3-4-3 or a defensive 4-5-1 as and when required.

I'll let you know when I confirm if you can change the button from select back to L2.

Thanks for the info, it is appreciated.

Hopefully the option to change the button is there, although I cannot see how you could change the SELECT button with the L2 button; but hopefully, it is possible?

Let me know if it works.

I used the L2 strategies to change the position of ONE individual; like in real life, you have that one individual or that pair of individuals (Xavi-Iniesta) who can break the scheme and have a license to roam free; the rest of the players have more rigid roles, and do not have that license to roam free.

The L2 strategies was a big game changer for me, it offered substance to a very insubstantial game.

 

[OCKRASS]

Yea, this is how shit I am at Fifa 11.....
http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165993

Ohhhh, Hold on a sec, Im pinging it about for laugh in midfield, wow, What a skillful game, WAIT XAVI IS DOMINATING HUGE CENTRE FORWARDS LIKE AMAURI.....

http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165540

Aww man dis game juss lik reel lyfe and everyfin.............

Difference between me and you, I TEST games, you PLAY games.

:l

:shocking:

Where were you pinging the ball in midfield?

All i saw was you making a few very open passes to very open players while passing it one time back to players......that is not ping pong passing. Ping passing is passing the ball to players, one touch to players in even clustered spaces in quick succession although there is evident pressure from opponents.

Xavi, or Messi as a matter of fact CAN dominate huge centre forwards regardless.....this is football Tech .....not the NFL.

It is clear to me that you only spend very few minutes "Testing" games as you say but it appears you lack the skill and depth of understanding how you play a footie game. There is no reason for me to try and argue with you since you evidently cannot play on the level that i am.

Keep playing though ...maybe one day you will learn.