Right, Time For Some Real Talk on This Fifa/PES Buisness
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player tactic.
I play many games of pes11 demo and i did not manage to find any individual player tactic on the field .Has any or not?
Because if its not than is a step back for the all tactic board. If someone find something please tell me how. Thats is a real issue.
I play many games of pes11 demo and i did not manage to find any individual player tactic on the field .Has any or not?
Because if its not than is a step back for the all tactic board. If someone find something please tell me how. Thats is a real issue.
Phatmann
HGW XX/7
Fifa 2003 was one of the worst games I've ever had the misfortune of playing. I actually played it a few months ago to see whether it was as bad as I remembered and it was worse. Absolutely dire.
Tech__Skill
Banned
See, i actually dont agree with you on this one. Look they are two different philosophies on football, fifa is far better when it comes to things like player movement and there are certain things i prefer in fifa like the fact you can tell a player to make a run using one of the side buttons, rather than having to do a 1-2 or hoping he will make the run. The in game atmosphere in FIFA destroys PES right now, so im not saying fifa is a totally shit game with no redeeming features. Fifa 11 seems better than fifa 10.
The point is, that demo is not enough improvement for a years worth of development and whats becoming apparent now, is that EA Sport do not fix core issues, they gloss over the issue with something that creates another issue.
Remember when Fifa got shit for being real easy, back in the day where you could stroll though teams and beat Barcelona about 13-1 if you really tried. EA's response to this kind of rubbish was simply to stop you being able to go past CPU players without tricks, which makes the game less easy, but creates another issues, dribbling becomes void.
Even the Pro passing is a bit dodgy for me, I need to test it more, but rather than being a clever system which reads player pass stats and determines how good they can pass, it does come across to me as what is a called contextual error system where the CPU decides that you need to miss this pass to make the ''pro passing'' apparent.
I could be wrong on that, but sometimes it feels like the CPU is saying, ''right you have made that pass, you can't make this one because we need to even it out a little''
They just have this habit of not resolving the issues at the core, and its stuff they have been told about for Years now, its just unacceptable for me.
The world cup games when it came out was the best game on the market at the time, better than fifa 10, but after 3 weeks the game got samey again, I gave them a pass on this, thinking they would be holding back the real shit for Fifa 11, but i'm just not seeing the improvements that really should be made, the gameplay has hardly moved forward since fifa 09 and you have to realize EA have release 3 football game in a year, fifa 10, world cup and Fifa 11 and the same old issues (other than excessive ping pong) are present in all 3.
The issue is clear, the game is very good on 1st impressions, but it doesn't last, I know people like it right now, I wanna see what they have to say in 4 weeks times. As for PES, totally different style of football, I think anyone playing both demos really needs to give PES some time, its still very rigid compared to fifa and this is one of things that cause people to dismiss it, if you can get past that and see its depth, you might enjoy it.
shaun7
Registered User
^I agree with that 100%.
Both games are different. But the thing is that fifa 11 made more emphasis on strength when strength was already badly over rated in fifa 10.
The other thing is the dribbling. As you mentioned. You can't dribble past players unless you use the trick stick, but the cpu can EASILY beat you.
The other thing in defence is that almost every defender defends the same way and tackles are not good as you said. You explained it well.
But overall, it's still a good game. Though it disappointed me highly. Because I expected some stupid issues to be fixed by now and instead, the most irritating issues that were in fifa 10 are still in fifa 11.
As for pes. This is the first time in 3 years that the improvements are pretty strong.
It has serious potential. The passing is much better than fifa's on manual because even though you can pass everywhere in pes, the individuality is still greatly felt. For example you cannot pass the same way as xavi, because xavi's accuracy is much better in passing. Same with close control. Players like messi are greatly defined because UNLIKE IN FIFA, you can beat a defender with some small feints and quick turns.
The thing I truly hate in pes at the moment is the cursor selection. Man, it needs fixing. Player runs are also not good enough.
But overall, pes made some serious improvements.
I think that, this is the first time in 3 years that I actually preferred pes to fifa AT THE MOMENT.
I am really sick and tired of fifa's stupid pressure system (where the cpu puts super human pressure on your players) and defending where strength is HUGELY overrated. I cannot stand it anymore.
Football doesn't revolve around strength only.
A football game is won, with teamwork and tactics and both of these aren't made good enough in fifa because every team plays the same.
Well, pes can have a bit more pressure, but the thing I really liked is that smaller teams than your selected team will play more defensive and instead of putting super human pressure like in fifa, they close all the spaces possible LIKE IN REALITY. And you'll still find it difficult to score.
So all in all, both games have issues but both games are good enough.
Both games are different. But the thing is that fifa 11 made more emphasis on strength when strength was already badly over rated in fifa 10.
The other thing is the dribbling. As you mentioned. You can't dribble past players unless you use the trick stick, but the cpu can EASILY beat you.
The other thing in defence is that almost every defender defends the same way and tackles are not good as you said. You explained it well.
But overall, it's still a good game. Though it disappointed me highly. Because I expected some stupid issues to be fixed by now and instead, the most irritating issues that were in fifa 10 are still in fifa 11.
As for pes. This is the first time in 3 years that the improvements are pretty strong.
It has serious potential. The passing is much better than fifa's on manual because even though you can pass everywhere in pes, the individuality is still greatly felt. For example you cannot pass the same way as xavi, because xavi's accuracy is much better in passing. Same with close control. Players like messi are greatly defined because UNLIKE IN FIFA, you can beat a defender with some small feints and quick turns.
The thing I truly hate in pes at the moment is the cursor selection. Man, it needs fixing. Player runs are also not good enough.
But overall, pes made some serious improvements.
I think that, this is the first time in 3 years that I actually preferred pes to fifa AT THE MOMENT.
I am really sick and tired of fifa's stupid pressure system (where the cpu puts super human pressure on your players) and defending where strength is HUGELY overrated. I cannot stand it anymore.
Football doesn't revolve around strength only.
A football game is won, with teamwork and tactics and both of these aren't made good enough in fifa because every team plays the same.
Well, pes can have a bit more pressure, but the thing I really liked is that smaller teams than your selected team will play more defensive and instead of putting super human pressure like in fifa, they close all the spaces possible LIKE IN REALITY. And you'll still find it difficult to score.
So all in all, both games have issues but both games are good enough.
Tech__Skill
Banned
Actually, this is a very good point, I was thinking the same thing, I was looking for them arrow things which you can use to define a players run. But i think Konami ditched it for them damn cards, what is it the with the japanese and cards, they fucking love the things innit?
I think in the full game you might be able to activate the 'incisive run' card, I think that might be the one that makes players make those kind of movements rather than the arrows.
Dude, ur the sh!t. I hear you with everything. I had gone to the dark side and was playing FIFA and really was going to by the fifa 11. But the PES 2011 demo blew away. I mean it can still be tweaked. But compared to the box that is the firld in fifa. I mean, everything is just so congested. When I played the pes Demo I coundn't help but feel like I was really playing football. I might just get both games like my Greek friend milenec11. I am just glad KONAMI has got back to real football..Can anyone tell me where to get the Xbox 369 demo. I played the PC version. I live in Trinidad and Tobago in the caribbean. Look way down close to Venezuela and you'd see my island. Let me know. Send me a link..something..Help..
vietfan09
Registered User
people with sense
what do you mean ?
Then my friend we should have the choice to activate or deactivate according the game, those fucking cards. And i see that the release date is to close to hide so many from us. Cross my fingers mate.
JohnnieDarko
Registered User
This is comedy gold Valid points too on Personality+.
When EA introduced it in a video, they showed that people would now make mistakes in passing or trapping, based on their particular skill attribute in that area. I mean seriously, isn't that what stats are exclusively supposed to do anyways?
Valid points too on Personality+. When EA introduced it in a video, they showed that people would now make mistakes in passing or trapping, based on their particular skill attribute in that area. I mean seriously, isn't that what stats are exclusively supposed to do anyways?
byondthought
Registered User
well u did make a couple of decent points, but me thinks ur not too good at fifa!!!
no tricks!!
http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/36991491
oh and its world class level(all videos say Amateur)
Right, this is my first post here. I hate the PES vs FIFA discussion but Tech made some decent points. My friends kept telling me how FIFA11 would blow me away so I finally thought I'd give it a try. Note that my only FIFA experience goes back to around 99 or 2000. Back then Batigoal was still playing with Fiorentina and I thought I'd give him a run for his money. He actually did a bicycle kick from just underneath the crossbar and I thought to myself what the f*ck was that all about.
Back to the future, FIFA11, at first glance the game looks amazing, nice ambience, great commentary, nice graphics and all. So I played for an hour or so. The gameplay's actually good and I was winning as well, on medium difficulty. So I thought lets up the tempo and ended up playing on the so-called legendary mode. I won 2-0 playing Chelsea against Real and that just killed it for me. It was a close game but common I haven't played the game for ages, give me a hammering!!
To be honest, I'd pick that game over PES 2010 any given day but PES2011 will be my drug of choice. I've been playing the demo for about 4 days now and I'm still getting beaten. The challenge is there and some might say that after a few months you'll be able to tear apart the cpu once again. Well, I'll gladly pay the 60$ and a have a go at it.
Back to the future, FIFA11, at first glance the game looks amazing, nice ambience, great commentary, nice graphics and all. So I played for an hour or so. The gameplay's actually good and I was winning as well, on medium difficulty. So I thought lets up the tempo and ended up playing on the so-called legendary mode. I won 2-0 playing Chelsea against Real and that just killed it for me. It was a close game but common I haven't played the game for ages, give me a hammering!!
To be honest, I'd pick that game over PES 2010 any given day but PES2011 will be my drug of choice. I've been playing the demo for about 4 days now and I'm still getting beaten. The challenge is there and some might say that after a few months you'll be able to tear apart the cpu once again. Well, I'll gladly pay the 60$ and a have a go at it.
Stormrider
Registered User
good stuff I miss reading your posts Tech lol.
Stormrider
Registered User
Wondering the same thing. Shame really cuz this is the best post I read here in a long time and all the profanity makes it even better