Right, Time For Some Real Talk on This Fifa/PES Buisness
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forzamilan84
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Great post. You should seriously consider giving your suggestions to Konami. Potential to make a great football game; like you said.
Which one was the FIFA you could play indoor? That one was the best. I remember you could kick the ball off your post and it would go to the other side of the field.
Which one was the FIFA you could play indoor? That one was the best. I remember you could kick the ball off your post and it would go to the other side of the field.
Tech_Skill
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First of all, this is the only time you will ever hear me say thank you.......EVER
But thanks to the mods/admins for lifting my ban on my account.
(I feel dirty after saying that, gonna go and have a shower)
1) I am shit at football games period, I used to be good at PES cos i used to HAMMER it for hours. BUT, i know how to TEST/evaluate a football game, there is a difference.
2) Your actually right, you can use skill dribbling which is what it looked like was being used, it was redundant in fifa 10, so i forgot about it uses until yesterday when i stumbled across it.
Having said that the dribbling isnt as good as PES from what I have played, i pulled off one or two skill dribbles with a centre back too, still fair do's
PS. just played against Real Madrid on Fifa 11 with a Centre Back in goal, (cos you know the goalkeepers are meant to have personality which make them better than other keepers right??) he made a double point blank reflex save from Benzema...... thats fifa 11 for you...... personally, the shit i did 1st thing this morning had a little more personality in it, but maybe thats me.
I've heard OPM magazine have given this game 10/10, how in the fuck did they come to that conclusion? Journalism at its downright worst i bet those guys got a free sample of David Rutter's sperm to go with their review copies of the game, fucking el, 10/10????
Fifa 11 is better than fifa 10 imo, (not that difficult to beat fifa 10 and its 70+ bugs and 0 personality and ping pong) but this might be the most OVERRATED game ive seen in years, people are confusing fluid player movement and broadcast realistic visuals with a realistic game of football on the pitch. Fifa is still ASTHETIC, looks fantastic, the players move really nice, great animations, smooth, but for me, on the pitch, its not taking great steps forward, I still dont pay attention to who is on the ball in fifa if im playing with barca as there isnt much difference between the top players anyways. In PES the difference between messi and villa is there, the way they play their game on the pitch is different (the pokemon cards) and they feel different in terms of control.
byondthought
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lol, nope its not skill dribble!! it my new fav feature analog sprint, its what imo makes dribbling better in fifa than PES! there are now 5 different dribble speeds, pace control, normal, low sprint, medium sprint and high sprint, this leaves all the skill of how to take on player(without any skill move what so ever) upto timing and control! its not just an easy thing to do as it is in PES imo..
heres a Walott 1
http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37003541
Tech_Skill
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Lmao.....okay man, i'm happy to play along to a certain point but here's where i'm gonna draw the line, if there is ONE thing PES is better than fifa at right now, its dribbling, i know your getting excited cos you dribbled AROUND one player, and dribbled though one player, but i prefer the dribbling far more in PES. When i use Messi in PES, i dont need to fuck around with the sprint buttons as much, here's the trick i use in pes........... The Stats.
Messi must have better balance than pretty much any player in the demo, sometimes even if the CPU goes flying in with a slide tackle messi can still use his balance to survive the tackle and recover the ball (um.... like he does in real life yea). He also has a noticeably better turning ability to, as does Xavi so... if big ass defenders try and barge you off the ball....all it takes is one deft sharp turn away or turn, im talking STATS and attributes, cos messi and robben dribble differently to busquets and keita yea, thats why I dont need 5 fucking dribble speeds in PES, I just pick the correct player and his stats do the talking.
In fifa the CPU nearly always makes crazy perfectly timed interceptions regardless of who the player doing the tackling is. This is because EA just ramped up the CPU AI tackling ability because years ago Fifa had a reputation for being easy, simple as that.
If you like fifa, like it, i dont give a flying fuck to be honest, it does somethings very well, but fuck me, if you think fifa 11 is acceptable progress then I really dont know what to say to you, play messi in xavi's positions, there is NO difference, play Abidal in CM, he still pings it about for a laugh. To me, thats is NOT realistic football, however nice the players move.
In fifa what happens when you play a CB on the wing instead of Pedro......nothing, they both tactically move the SAME, the only difference ive seen so far, is that pedro is the better passer and dribbler (if its a really good cb, non physical differences are MINIMAL)
In pes, players behave differently regardless of position, because they actually have a pre defined personality, so Abidal does not move around the pitch the same way Dani Alves does when they play the same position, Alves is far more aggressive and reckless. Iniesta plays different to Xavi because xavi holds the centre more and inesta constantly makes breaking late runs into the box. Im not seeing this in fifa, what im seeing as a game that is ASTHETICALLY very nice to watch and to play in aspect, but weak at the core.
So your way of looking at things is actually quite simplistic (im being nice here, to be honest, it was fucking stupid), "its harder in fifa so people dont like it" that's whats being implied here, dont bring that shit to my door again, in PES the stats count when dribbling, if you dribble past several players with messi in PES, its likely because you were using Messi not because you tapped the analogue sprint button a few times, play the PES demo, and see if you make pedro dribble like Messi on a regular basis (im not talking a couple a 10 secs videos), the stats mean Messi will always be better and the personality means messi has better close control.
byondthought
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How can u even comment on dribbling in fifa when u dont know how to do it and cant do it???:shocking: in PES its a peace of piss to dribble, no skill needed, everything is done for u!! Ive beat 4 people with messi in fifa and that was hard work and it was extremely satisfying. its a new feature it will take time to get used to but it definitely NOT just about beating ONE player! :blush:
I'm not here to change your mind about fifa, u have ur opinion and thats fine, but when u start saying things are impossible and "u cant beat a man without skill moves" you need to be proved wrong!
I'm sure u do think dribbling is better PES, its a lot easyer and you said your self your crap at computer football games, so this probably contributes a lot in forming your opinion. :unsure:
For me, I loved PES PS2 so so so so so much, PES5 was the greatest football game, nobody loved that game more than me. when i was backpacking I even used to keep a copy without even having a PS2 on me just in case I came across 1 on my travels! Now its fifa11 for me, its by a small distance the best football ever made(yes I know u don't think so) thats just it, its people like me whos opinions count to make the game recognized as the best, not yours unfortunately. we have opinions on many different things and in the same way mine counted for PES5, it counts for Fifa11, simples! Thats just the way it is! :huh:
I respect you have a different opinion on the 2 games and thats fine, u make some valid points, there will always be ways to bash either game!!
You play yours and i'll play mine!
Tech_Skill
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Dude, im really sorry to have to say this but I think you need to squeeze your asshole a little tighter, that way the EA boys wont find it so easy to get in there, they don't even have to lube up, your just bending over with a big fucking grin, ready to shell out more money on a game which is hardly different to the other games. For the last time im going to explain the following to you.
FIFA 11 demo on world class is not difficult, im gonna show you a video of pinging it about with fucking Puyol, Milto, Maxwell, The goalkeeper Pinto and Dani Alves as my midfielders and strikers. LMAO.
WORLD CLASS DIFFICULTY (as you said, ea football world labels all vids as 'amatuer' difficulty)
http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165993
Wow, having puyol one touch pass it like that.....thats a REAL sim right, the same sim OPM are giving 10/10.
Here's another video of me clattering players simply holding down the tackle button and look XAVI is playing at centre back and look he is barging what looks like AMAURI off the ball.......just like in real life, man this game is well realistic.
http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165540
Do you understand now, its not about ''he likes PES cos PES is easier'' its FUCK ALL to do with that, as iv'e shown above playing barcelona style football in fifa is a JOKE, a 2 year old can do it, I can do it with defenders in the midfield. Where were the stats in that video???? is that personality + plus right?? Please.....
In PES, its about stats, its not about what is easy, Pedro cant dribble like messi, cant move like messi tactically, cant turn like messi. Xavi cant tackle like Nesta, do you understand this, no special skill dribbling needed in pes, the players are DIFFERENT.
MysteryMan
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How can u even comment on dribbling in fifa when u dont know how to do it and cant do it???:shocking: in PES its a peace of piss to dribble, no skill needed, everything is done for u!! Ive beat 4 people with messi in fifa and that was hard work and it was extremely satisfying. its a new feature it will take time to get used to but it definitely NOT just about beating ONE player! :blush:
I'm not here to change your mind about fifa, u have ur opinion and thats fine, but when u start saying things are impossible and "u cant beat a man without skill moves" you need to be proved wrong!
I'm sure u do think dribbling is better PES, its a lot easyer and you said your self your crap at computer football games, so this probably contributes a lot in forming your opinion. :unsure:
For me, I loved PES PS2 so so so so so much, PES5 was the greatest football game, nobody loved that game more than me. when i was backpacking I even used to keep a copy without even having a PS2 on me just in case I came across 1 on my travels! Now its fifa11 for me, its by a small distance the best football ever made(yes I know u don't think so) thats just it, its people like me whos opinions count to make the game recognized as the best, not yours unfortunately. we have opinions on many different things and in the same way mine counted for PES5, it counts for Fifa11, simples! Thats just the way it is! :huh:
I respect you have a different opinion on the 2 games and thats fine, u make some valid points, there will always be ways to bash either game!!
You play yours and i'll play mine!
Actually hes right , the dribbling in PES represents the real world much better, im thinking you don't watch alot of soccer matches from your comment because saying Fifa's dribbling is more realistic compared to the real world is just ridicilous.
Tech_Skill
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Dude, see my last post.
And what i can do on world class in fifa11 without even trying hard, considering I have a midfield with pinto the goalkeeper, puyol, alves, and G. Milto, abidal is upfront i believe with maxwell, im pinging it about man for a laugh.
http://www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/37165993
byondthought
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lol, too bad for you your opinion means diddly squat out here in the real world aye!!! Probably cus a lot of it it based on lack of knowledge/understanding!! :erm:
lol, you remind me so much of the old PS2 fifa boys, its funny, when we were praising PES5 they were shunning it!!
Anyway, only came back on the forum cus when I first played PES2011 I thought it was a decent game, but unfortunately the more I played of both the more a realised it wasn't as close as I first thought!! :no:
Dont really care enough to carry on, so for that reason "i'm out"
Ciao.
byondthought
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ok, 1 more thing before I go, that vid got me thinking. Have u ever actually tried that with PES?? changing all the players around etc??
Works for PES too, I just tried it and I really couldnt believe it, if only u could upload replays!! I just scored a great goal, first time shot form Puyol from a great through ball from Valdes, both playing as strikers!! and yes I was passing it around very nicely in midfield with my other defenders!!
man, I really didn't think u could do that with PES, but then again ive never tried! Seriously give it a go, it may not be as bad as when fifa is on full assisted mode(but hey thats what assisted means) but its still really bad!
and now "i'm out" Ciao xx
ps I love that Valdes does back heel passes in PES when he plays upfront lol
Tech_Skill
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LMAO...........give it up man, i actually had passing on semi, not assisted....did you like the player invdiduality?? did you like my one touch passing with defenders in midfield, OHHH THIS FIFA 11 IS SOOOOO HARD, MUST BE THE REASON I CAN PLAY BARCA FOOTBALL WITH GOALKEEPERS AND DEFENDERS...... its soooo realistic.
And I tried it in PES, here the difference, the defense is APPALLING when you play strikers at the back, thomas muller isnt making double reflex saves in goal, infact he didnt even move when xavi buried it in the bottom corner, the quick passing YES I could do it in flashes, anyhow i took a touch, it was horrible, you see in the PES all players dont have exactly the same 1st touch like they do in fifa, the players dont move around the same way on the field like they do in fifa, so i know if i put a proper right back in on the wing he would do a much better job. Also, i wasnt able to use a centre midfielder like Xavi to easily disposses a target man like amauri, in fifa you can do these things all day long.
Im not saying PES is perfect, fifa does certain things better than PES, but for me dribbling and individuality isnt one of them for the reasons I have posted above.
And your arguement seemed to centre on, the fact im discrediting fifa because I cant play it.....well if I cant play it, and im dominating teams of world class with goalkeepers and defenders in my attack, it doesnt say much about fifa does it.
Pes 2011 is about Stats, Attributes and Tactics and Fifa 11 is not (to be fair, we have yet to test the custom tactics lmao), thats why it lacks depth
DoubleO_88
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Tech you are an absolute legend I had to sign up to say that I hope you don't mind that I quoted your post and put it on another forum, always good to spread truth.
I thought I was the only one who hated FIFA's horrible tackling system I come here and find like minded people who are also sick of getting ran over by steam roller defenders actually even Messi can steam roll attackers with the ball, so stupid.
I thought I was the only one who hated FIFA's horrible tackling system I come here and find like minded people who are also sick of getting ran over by steam roller defenders actually even Messi can steam roll attackers with the ball, so stupid.
ezio
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That is the number 1 reason I don't like Fifa. It is just way to easy to run through people and win the ball.
Number 2 would have to be that everyone in the demo plays a high defensive line.