Right, Time For Some Real Talk on This Fifa/PES Buisness

[ehsancgfx]

I've been playing the pes 2011demo alot vs human opposition recently, and the defence is just not good enough. It's way to easy to pass the ball around and keep possession on offence.

But fifa is a pos, and i never liked how it felt, so that's not an option.

So i guess it's back to editing WE9/PES5 for me again. I did want to like pes 2011, so i could play online, and not have to edit anymore.

Of course there are some better things in 2011, like the graphics and the short passing freedom, but at the end of the day the most important thing to me is a realistic balance between the offence & defence.

Too bad, cause i thought it just might of let me put pes5/WE9 to rest finally, but i guess that was just wishful thinking.

After all, it's been how many years that this game has been the best now ?

have you done the mistake i did at first ? the type 2 gamepad setup has different pressure button. so fist make sure your pressure button is what u think it is.

now if you say u cant shoot in pes11 its believable. but u cant defence ? boooh! pes has 4 type of defence and its so much easy to defence like rock solid. the new jokey system of defence let you defend according to the situation. see here .. http://pes2011.com/

 

[Gerad]

Do you guys remember 10 years ago?

You remember playing internation superstar soccer and thinking WOW they are so far ahead of themselves its insane.

We just enjoyed the amazing physics for its time and played it. Too be honest guys. I dont give a rats ass about a stadium editor and i love stadiums. I collect stadium books and am a member of the biggest stadium forum known to man. But i dont care. I want physics. Not just up to date, or infinite movement physics. But amazing physics. Ill take ps2 graphics for amazing physics again. Thats what kept me glood to my seat for 6 hours playing with england in the international cup. The rare ocasions that i won it and the group stages. The qualifying for it. People just dont understand. The shooting, was so fun, the keepers defying gravity. Who cared... the playing experience was so good that nobody really cared. Now they have gone back in the right direction. But its about time. So many games are ahead of their time. Mario 64/ kart, cod4, sonic, pacman and the first few pro evo games. In my opinon pro evo reached its peak way back in pes 5/6. All they seem worried about now is getting the shots to look realistic, whilst taking the fun out of the game. With messi in real life, hes off balance, bang goal. He aims top corner, keeper has to make the save of his life to get it. Now its just so different. I mastered the penalties today, but they need fixing. Corners are not great. Tackling not fun. You should be able to tackle alot harder. Passing is ok. Dribbling is so slow in my opinion. Back in april before we saw the videos i was expecting another shitty game. We dont have that, its good. So fuck it, ill buy it

 

[Dabeeds]

have you done the mistake i did at first ? the type 2 gamepad setup has different pressure button. so fist make sure your pressure button is what u think it is.

now if you say u cant shoot in pes11 its believable. but u cant defence ? boooh! pes has 4 type of defence and its so much easy to defence like rock solid. the new jokey system of defence let you defend according to the situation. see here .. http://pes2011.com/

I know about all of that. Defending and the defencive ai is not good. You really see when playing vs ppl who are good. Go back and try PES5, and you'll see what i'm talking about.

I think that game must of been to hard for casuals to just pick up and play and have success ( score goals/create chances )

So they went in another direction. It is all about the $$$$ after all, isn't it ?

 

[foss]

I know about all of that. Defending and the defencive ai is not good. You really see when playing vs ppl who are good. Go back and try PES5, and you'll see what i'm talking about.

I think that game must of been to hard for casuals to just pick up and play and have success ( score goals/create chances )

So they went in another direction. It is all about the $$$$ after all, isn't it ?

It's always about making money.. it is now and it was back then during the golden age of PES.

Their problem was next-gen programming. They went the wrong direction and lost what felt great about PES which were the physics and gameplay and depth of stats.

PES11 is a good step forward. It's not the same and at this point I feel PES will never be the same as it was. I think if we approach it that way we can give the game a fair shot.

On a side note, what would be a great idea I think would be to do a re-release of PES for PS2 running at 480p widescreen with updated rosters and online play. I would personally pay $39.99 on PSN for this.

It's been so bad, I really think Konami spending time porting the PS2 version on PS3 with updated presentation would be better than PES2008,2009, and 2010 IMHO so far. I will hold my judgement on PES11 until I play it for awhile.

 

[FootballAdikt]

It's pretty amusing that there's this feud between FIFA and PES players. Well not all of them, just the really foolish ones that think there can ever really be a definite answer towards the question : WHICH GAME IS BETTER?

It's a video game. Relax. Enjoy it. Be glad you are alive to experience the coming of many minds to put together this incredible football simulation we either call PES or FIFA.

PS : THIS is why we have wars , because theres people out there who truly believe it is worthwhile to argue 'video games'

 

[Tech_Skill]

PS : THIS is why we have wars , because theres people out there who truly believe it is worthwhile to argue 'video games'

Wars lol, I thought for a moment you meant actual wars like the one in Iraq and shit....I mean i know im a shit stirrer but I ain't George Bush or anything like that, you mean fifa vs pes right wars right? lol.

 

[FootballAdikt]

Wars lol, I thought for a moment you meant actual wars like the one in Iraq and shit....I mean i know im a shit stirrer but I ain't George Bush or anything like that, you mean fifa vs pes right wars right? lol.

No, I meant in general. This is why we have wars. Because there is people out there who take the time to argue about such trivial things as video games. So if people get 'mad' enough to start arguing about two video games , imagine what else they argue about ..... Cereal brand....Cars.....Clothes.... The latest cell phones.

It's just people taking it all for granted. Relax. Enjoy the game.

 

[Tech_Skill]

No, I meant in general. This is why we have wars. Because there is people out there who take the time to argue about such trivial things as video games. So if people get 'mad' enough to start arguing about two video games , imagine what else they argue about ..... Cereal brand....Cars.....Clothes.... The latest cell phones.

It's just people taking it all for granted. Relax. Enjoy the game.

That's true, I remember the war in Vietnam, if only the Americans and the Vietcong came to an agreement on whether Coco pops or Corn flakes were better, many lives could have been saved.

Im only messing bro, down here, we like to talk a little shit every now and again, your point is taken, welcome to the forum.

 

[FootballAdikt]

That's true, I remember the war in Vietnam, if only the Americans and the Vietcong came to an agreement on whether Coco pops or Corn flakes were better, many lives could have been saved.

Im only messing bro, down here, we like to talk a little shit every now and again, your point is taken, welcome to the forum.

Thanks. Ive been coming here since maybe 2008 . Finally decided to register for the forums after playing the PES 2011 demo. This will be a great year.

 

[Sniper23BG]

Well i loved both Fifa and pes every year i used to buy both every year but for the first time since 2003 ive decided that pes wasnt worth my money since 3rd gen consoles came out the game went really bad it didnt have a proper edit mode the gameplay was rubbish u couldnt even shoot properly or dribble since people asked for a slower paced which i hate the gameplay looked like the aliens changed them into robots but fifa improves every year because the gameplay is brilliantly upgraded 360 movement i just wished pes went back to the ps2 era wear it owned fifa by years

 

[Sniper23BG]

LOL u should be a comedian i that made me laugh but i do agree with some points though

 

[James_dean]

Well i loved both Fifa and pes every year i used to buy both every year but for the first time since 2003 ive decided that pes wasnt worth my money since 3rd gen consoles came out the game went really bad it didnt have a proper edit mode the gameplay was rubbish u couldnt even shoot properly or dribble since people asked for a slower paced which i hate the gameplay looked like the aliens changed them into robots but fifa improves every year because the gameplay is brilliantly upgraded 360 movement i just wished pes went back to the ps2 era wear it owned fifa by years

Oh god. I think the human race is on it´s way down.

 

[Stormrider]

On a side note, what would be a great idea I think would be to do a re-release of PES for PS2 running at 480p widescreen with updated rosters and online play. I would personally pay $39.99 on PSN for this.

lol please don't encourage them. PSN classics are no more than $9.99. Charging $40 for Pes 5 in this day and age would be considered robbery, but I'd gladly dish out about $10 for a widescreen Pes 3 or Pes 5.

 

[roblucci]

I really respect Tech for his comment.Very brilliant idea.FIFA fanboys still wonder why there are so many people still playing PES even lacking license.

 

[vietfan09]

I really respect Tech for his comment.Very brilliant idea.FIFA fanboys still wonder why there are so many people still playing PES even lacking license.

True , And again , with this year PS3 WENB has made a special OF for Ps3 included EPL league logo on the side and Real Logo for EPL league and other leagues as well . Smooth gameplay, Online Master League which is the best of both world , plus it it is KONAMI , you can't get wrong with them .

Sigh Poor FifaFanboys still playing The Gimmick Fifa series ,

 

[ptl161]

Nice post, straight to the point.
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[Tech_Skill]

To be honest, it all depends what you want from a football game. The games are two different interpretations on how football should be played. I think it's like Fifa is an interpretation of how football LOOKS and PES is an interpretation of how football PLAYS.

I would also say Fifa feels better than PES and this is one of the reasons why some people dismiss PES after a couple of games. This year I would say the game is a little less robotic but i think the passing and gamespeed has alot to do with me liking the demo so far. I put pes 2010 in the other day, that game is SHIT and I stand by that, 100mph ping pong garbage. I play the PES 2011 demo on a speed of -2 and I like that gamespeed and I like aspects of the new passing system also. If you can get past the robotic-ness of pes and can appreciate certain things in it, like the individuality, then its possible to pick up.

If you like the recent fifa series in general I can see why you wouldn't give a lot of time to PES, why would you?? Fifa has the licenses, better presentation, better movement, better animations and if you liked the recent fifa games, you'll probably like the way FIFA11 plays and so will more likely prefer fifa. I peronally started to get annoyed with seeing the same old shit in fifa games and so because PES looked to have made improvements was willing to give PES alot more gametime this year because to me its more playable than pes 2011.

One thing is for sure, to appreciate either, I think you need to sit down with both for a while......im talking a week or so, maybe more, because the way you play football in both these games is very different and I think the way you think about playing these games is different. Coming straight off FIFA11 into PES2011 and playing 1-2 games isnt the way to go imo.

On the reviews front, I don't give a fuck, 10/10 for fifa 11 is not acceptable from the games I have played of it, I know some magazines don't give 10/10 for the perfect game and some give a game 10/10 if its the definitive game in it's genre, but how many readers know this, most just look at the score itself I would say. The shitty tackling system alone is a 2/10 in my book so how the fuck they get 10/10 is beyond me.

 

[shaun7]

One thing is for sure, to appreciate either, I think you need to sit down with both for a while......im talking a week or so, maybe more, because the way you play football in both these games is very different and I think the way you think about playing these games is different. Coming straight off FIFA11 into PES2011 and playing 1-2 games isnt the way to go imo.

This is really true. You just cannot jump from pes to fifa or vice versa and expect to do good in it because both have different interpretations of football.
The thing is, that maybe this year, it's a matter of taste. Where fifa, fails, pes delivers and where pes fails, fifa delivers SORT OF.
Examples are individuality great on pes, but not good enough in fifa
Movement and animation are great on fifa, but not so good in pes.
Anyway overall, NEITHER PES NOR FIFA DESERVES A 9 OR A 10, I think an 8 or 8.5 is acceptable for both.
Both have some issues which needs resolving so a 9 is still a bit high. That's why an 8 or 8.5 will be acceptable.
So when reviewers write a review with a 9.5 or 10 especially for fifa (because it get's higher review scores), I won't even begin to read that review. I mean seriously? Is that professional??
That's why I never trust reviews (although sadly, it does some influence to some).

 

[MatTheCat]

Please edit the post and remove the swearing, because I certainly can't be pestered, and I don't want to delete the thread as I happen to think you make some very valid points.

Thanks man.

I read through all that WITH the swearing.

And I have to say, the swearing made it all the better.

Hooray for swearing!

 

[benny400]

Tech- like many have been saying, fair play for your honest argument. I used to think you were just on here to anger people, but you have a lot of truth in your arguments.

For me, this years PES is a big step up. There remains a few glitches here an there, but in terms of the last few PES games this is a large step in the right direction.

one last thing tech. Not only have your neutral and logical comments concerning the PES/fifa debate made you go up in made estimation, but the fact that you have a picture of the legend that is Timothy Dalton in Licence to Kill as your profile picture makes me thnk that you're actually a pretty clever guy. He for me is the best bond, true to fleming, and just a general legend in both his bond films