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The GAMESCOM Thread

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iosonocanadese

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zomg, embedding skills.

But anyway. Dude, you complain about CPU interference in PES, and therefore it boggles the mind that you'd prefer FIFA for that reason. Everything in FIFA is CPU cheating. In FIFA '06, if you go up 2 or 3-0, the opposition forwards become faster than your defenders and you can't catch them. They can shoot from 50 yards in the last 5 minutes of games they're down in, along the ground, and it will go in and there's nothing you can do about it. Corners are scripted, set pieces are ridiculously scripted, you push the button at the right time and you could be aiming for the moon, it will go in. You can aim along the ground right next to the goalkeeper... still goes in. I could go on and on.

In the last 2 FIFA games the AI has been stupid, as I've said. Random width-wise runs across the pitch with teammates open for passes, holding onto the ball far longer than is at all realistic, defenders able to catch up with you even though just left them flat-footed, etc. FIFA has a lot more scripting than PES it seems to me, and as I also said, the gripe most PES fans have always had against FIFA is that it's scripted and gets boring very quickly. It's less scripted than it once was, but you can't tell me there's no cheating left in FIFA, because I've played 08 and 09 and experienced it.
 

genexsis

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Pes 2009= Get one player, R1, sharp turns with d pad over and over, R1, shoot.

Or

Hold down R1, shoot, pick up rebound, tap in.

Typical pes passing Sequence, X, d pad, X, X, d-pad X= Ball ping pongs about with laser like accuracy if the cpu allows it.

Im not prasing that shit game, pes 3- pes 6 were quality games, but pes 2008 and 2009 are arcade garbage.


That R1 crap doesn't work with decent players... you play against decent players?
Or do you play against the TV or AI? Boring...

Find some mates or play online... and play against rating 700+ and try to use the R1 running all the time..

People are like Ai.

You have dumb people, decent people and smart people.. just like easy normal hard..

You should find people with skill... and you will enjoy your games more..
 

Tech_Skill

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Why dont you comment on those links i provided..

I want you to comment on these goals on youtube.. its full of crazy goals..

Say something..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCidHfmup1w

here you have the link again..

Say something tech..

Here's what im gonna say, rather than posting the same old vids of one man taking on 9 players and scoring and hideous animations in pes 2009.

All I say is that.

Go online with manual passing and shooting against a fifa player, take your cpu assisted pes skills down there and see if you even score one single goal.

You'd get a shock.

Just like all these other pes 2009 heroes, bring em to fifa and take assisted off, they drop like flies.

Seriously.

When the CPU isnt there to help you out mate, game over.

I respect your opinion though.
 

genexsis

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Here's what im gonna say, rather than posting the same old vids of one man taking on 9 players and scoring and hideous animations in pes 2009.

All I say is that.

Go online with manual passing and shooting against a fifa player, take your cpu assisted pes skills down there and see if you even score one single goal.

You'd get a shock.

Just like all these other pes 2009 heroes, bring em to fifa and take assisted off, they drop like flies.

Seriously.

When the CPU isnt there to help you out mate, game over.

I respect your opinion though.

I've been online.. on FIFA 09... but i sold the game..

REASON:

To easy to score..

REASON:

You only need to be one on one with the keeper select the far post and bang..

PES:

You have to have the wright momentum, wright foot, no presure from opponent, 1 on 1 finishing star helps, and stats of your player must be decent..

All these factors decide how you will shoot.

In PES one on one is harder then fifa..

pfoe in FIFA i have a hundred choices how to make the keeper look like a fool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCidHfmup1w <---- prooof..
 

Tech_Skill

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I've been online.. on FIFA 09... but i sold the game..

REASON:

To easy to score..

REASON:

You only need to be one on one with the keeper select the far post and bang..

PES:

You have to have the wright momentum, wright foot, no presure from opponent, 1 on 1 finishing star helps, and stats of your player must be decent..

All these factors decide how you will shoot.

In PES one on one is harder then fifa..

pfoe in FIFA i have a hundred choices how to make the keeper look like a fool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCidHfmup1w <---- prooof..


One simple question

What mode was your shooting set to???

lmao.
 

Perfectstrik

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In PES when you play some guy you can destroy that person by only using tactics.

In PES some lineups destroy others.

I use 3 line ups at ones, one defensive one attacking and one default.

The people who cant defend against Messi or C.Ronaldo is because they dont know what there weak foot is and how you implement this in defence...

When you have somebody like messi playing right wing, you must make sure he cant cut in to take a shot at goal, what you do is guide him away from your goal and them go in for the tackle..

agree bud,im amazing on pes09 and i play creative football to and rarely have stray passes or shots because i know when to hit the ball in relation to my feet and mix my play up and know how to use the long pass effectively to centre a ball without having to press l1+circle button or have to use the automatic lofted through ball.

Theres also the deeper dynamics of who you play wear and how this can effect the balance of your team plus the system you play and how you utilise it.

As someone who has played konami football games fo 20 years and pes for ten,i still think despite a few minor flaws pes09 is still the most realistic and accurate rendition of football we have ever had.

The difference is like you i to know how to defend and only play on the highest level which is more simulation my only real complaint is 8-axis passing and movement and the com assistance,but now this has been addressed in pes2010 with 360 movement which will open the game up and mean we will have greater control on passing and long passing,especially,crosses which we will now have much better placement accuracy on im more then happy.
 

iosonocanadese

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lol... Bring a FIFA player into Pro Evo 09, where if you're an idiot who holds down the a button constantly and just hoofs it up the pitch so much Graham Taylor would probably shed tears of joy you find your players well out of position and the game's defenders aren't scripted to cheat to stop you from exploiting it, and see how they fare. Fuck, that was me the first time I played Pro Evo 09 online, which unwisely was my first match. I got ripped apart by Lecce, playing as Juventus, by someone who wasn't a douchebag and played like a real football team would.
 

Tech_Skill

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lol... Bring a FIFA player into Pro Evo 09, where if you're an idiot who holds down the a button constantly and just hoofs it up the pitch so much Graham Taylor would probably shed tears of joy you find your players well out of position and the game's defenders aren't scripted to cheat to stop you from exploiting it, and see how they fare. Fuck, that was me the first time I played Pro Evo 09 online, which unwisely was my first match. I got ripped apart by Lecce, playing as Juventus, by someone who wasn't a douchebag and played like a real football team would.

Again you have trouble understanding basic concepts

How is CPU assisted passing, shooting, pk's and even tackles lol...

More difficult than Manual controls.

The posts on here are getting more retarded by the mintue

"Pes Iz wel ard cos da computa dose everfin 4 me, but it weally me doin dese parses cos i pres r2 wen i do da parse and dats wat maykes it go on targette"

*Yawn*

Again, devoid of any logic.
 

genexsis

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agree bud,im amazing on pes09 and i play creative football to and rarely have stray passes or shots because i know when to hit the ball in relation to my feet and mix my play up and know how to use the long pass effectively to centre a ball without having to press l1+circle button or have to use the automatic lofted through ball.

Theres also the deeper dynamics of who you play wear and how this can effect the balance of your team plus the system you play and how you utilise it.

As someone who has played konami football games fo 20 years and pes for ten,i still think despite a few minor flaws pes09 is still the most realistic and accurate rendition of football we have ever had.

The difference is like you i to know how to defend and only play on the highest level which is more simulation my only real complaint is 8-axis passing and movement and the com assistance.

You know.. maybe its time for us to compare PES with PES and FIFA with FIFA.

Maybe its time to accept that FIFA is better because of the total package..
Let people like TECH have the crown.. and lets move on..

I know that when you put PES on easy keepers and defence seem to get stupid..

Thats why when i make video's like these on Pes 2008 i make sure that they are online against humans..

AI on every game is not challanging.. and i mean any game..

Video's of mine:

http://www.consolegoals.com/view_video.php?viewkey=b16bce06687822ae56e6
 

genexsis

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Again you have trouble understanding basic concepts

How is CPU assisted passing, shooting, pk's and even tackles lol...

More difficult than Manual controls.

The posts on here are getting more retarded by the mintue

"Pes Iz wel ard cos da computa dose everfin 4 me, but it weally me doin dese parses cos i pres r2 wen i do da parse and dats wat maykes it go on targette"

*Yawn*

Again, devoid of any logic.


Ok but does it matter?

FIFA goals are still easy even if you tie me up and let me play with my feet !
 

Perfectstrik

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You know.. maybe its time for us to compare PES with PES and FIFA with FIFA.

Maybe its time to accept that FIFA is better because of the total package..
Let people like TECH have the crown.. and lets move on..

I know that when you put PES on easy keepers and defence seem to get stupid..

Thats why when i make video's like these on Pes 2008 i make sure that they are online against humans..

AI on every game is not challanging.. and i mean any game..

Video's of mine:

http://www.consolegoals.com/view_video.php?viewkey=b16bce06687822ae56e6

have a look at this,this is how you build a goal on pes09,i scored this last november and have since taken pes09 to a much higher level....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQOaKXl4RDs
 

Itsfootballstupid

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What's up everybody, new member here who just' couldn't stand watching the crazy madness about the new upcoming Pes10 game. I have read almost the whole thread and understood the argument of both side. Here are my impressions on the game.

First, for the people who are deeply disappointed by the showing of the game at gamescom , you have a legitimate argument and have history to back you up. Yes in the past couple of years Konami have promised the world and fell short to deliver on their promises. The scrutiny the games is receiving from its critics, isn't because they don't like the game, but when your beloved series were king for many years in leading the way innovations and pure gameplay and now they have to play soldiers to the likes of Fifa in terms of innovations and contents, somehow it hurts. I don't like EA because of their monopolies on most game licenses but as serious football fan I can't deny the fact that in the last two years they have done their best to satisfy the football purist out there, Fifa 10 looks great and from the videos it seems to play like so.

I have watched the pes10 videos , and I like many was disappointed to see some of the same old animations with these superb graphics, and don't give the crap that animations isn't all that important, movement on and off the ball, running, turning , all that add to the authenticity and the experience of playing the game. So I'm still hoping that Konami will implement better animations tweaks the game mechanics to really match these great graphics before the game release.

With that said, I am definitely getting this game when it comes out. I am not worried about Fifa, sure its a great game but I am a PEs fan by heart, although I don't like the slow process of improving the series but one thing I confirmed last year, was that scoring a goal in fifa09 wasn't as satisfying as scoring one in Pes09 and become a legend is my favorite mode ever.

As fans I think we need to keep the pressure on Konami to make sure that they don't short change us with below the standard games that they have set for themselves, but let's face it, no matter how much we complain before each release, PES is always PES, no matter what you are guaranteed a good time , and this year seems to just make the experience a little bit more fun..just a little.
 

FIORE_FAN

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thats the problem its to serious it looks dull to play and boring where as pes2010 remains true to being a game.

Wow! Been gone for nearly a day and this thread has totally exploded. Unfortunately into the classic PES vs FIFA...

Now, I highlighted the statement above because something about it struck me. This is the way I understood what you're saying here Perfectstrike - and please correct me if I'm wrong:
People are choosing PES now instead of FIFA because it's more true as an arcade game, whereas FIFA is too serious (realistic?)?
You see; that's why a lot of us old guys chose PES instead of FIFA back when ISS Pro Evo came out on the PSX. FIFA was too arcade'ish whereas PES seemed more lifelike.
It's funny that most of the guys who logged on to this forum back in 2003, have actually converted - in a more or less way - over to FIFA after the '09 installment. Mainly because they now feel that PES has become the arcade sprint-fest and FIFA has become more simulation'ish.

I admit that I've choosen FIFA for the first time ever this year (09-version) mainly because of the much better animation all around (soo many great small details happening all over the pitch animation wise during a game). I totally loved the way the players jostled for the ball when running side by side. But most importantly: Playing a game with everything set on manual (or even semi) was something so profoundly new to me personally, that I felt it was kind of a small revolution to football games.
Honestly now! How many of you in here, who are saying that FIFA is the same game and it's sooo easy to score - has actually tried playing with settings set for full manual?
Guys I'm not trying to defend FIFA vs PES here. Please keep it sober if you choose to answer this post.

Admittedly the biggest downside to FIFA is the cpu AI and most notably the individual player likelyness. It's true that there is no difference when passing with Iniesta or Xavi compared to a regular danish defender from the danish league, when the setting is on manual.
PES has always been far better than FIFA in that department and by the looks of things, they are surely cruising they way steadily toward widening that gab even further with the '10 installment.

Another post that really struck me (which I can't find right now - sorry) is someone posting, that PES is now going backward to building upon an older build (PES6 I believe?) to make this years game better that the last 2 years installments...
Well, in my ears, that doesn't very much like evolution? How come that FIFA is able to build something new to become a better game and PES has to go backwards in their progamming just to make a decent game? Again - not meant as a statement that one game is better than the other - just meant as a question?

As I see it both games are eaqually good. It's really just a matter of taste and what you prefer. None of the two current games are rubbish (anybody saying either game i rubbish is bordering fanboy'ishm) and neither game is stunningly perfect.
I chose FIFA this year also because I basically got angry at how lazy Konami had got. I mean, look how slowly they've been evolving and perfecting their game these last 3-4 years compared to FIFA, who litteraly has been a steamtrain run wild in building their game into something better than what it was. One can argue that their game still isn't as good as Konami's. But one can't deny the fact how much better FIFA has become compared to their own franchise!

Two years ago it was unthinkable haveing a discussion about which game was better. Back then it was a no contest - and the FIFA players knew it. PES was king. So just the fact that we have had a discussion about which game is better now over I can't remember how many hundred posts is evidence that the gab between the two games now, is so small, that it's really a matter of what you prefer and no longer a matter if the other game is utter rubbish.

For us who are just footballfans are in for a treat. There'll be two great footiegames out this year.
 

shaun7

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One Question Tech-Skill, What are you doing here? It's obviously that you want something.

He wants t destroy pes and turn everyone to fifa. I am now 100% convinced.
As for fifa 09. Its' not that it's easy to score or AI assistance. That has nothing to do with it.
Goal variation is the problem created by the shooting. There isn't many ways to score on fifa 09 compared to pes. You always have to be 1 vs 1 with keeper to score. Shooting from distance and shot power are not good enough for sure.
 

RAMAXWY

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hey TECH what do u think simulation means ?.
that's the big difference between FIFA and PES and that's just what u don't like about PES and we do.
you want to put everything on manual so that the stats and strenght of the teams don't matter but the outcome only relies on your skill only.
well i'm all for it but than they should put two teams in the game with all equal players and u can use those two teams alone when u want to play a full manual match .
that's what FIFA is going for and u love it because they know that they can't make the stats matter so to them simulation doesn't matter.
they put all the teams in with licensing and all but they all feel the same so two teams would have been enough.
if GRAN TOURISMO WORKED THAT WAY THEY COULD ONLY PUT IN TWO CARS instead of months of info and stats about cars to make the simulation experience as perfect as possible.
when i select a team i should have an advantage and/or disadvantage and i should be aware of it and with this knowledge still make the best of it using my skill an that of my team and that's PES.
U LIKE IT manual well ok then u like the right game but we like the simulation part so we stick to PES.
 
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