byondthought
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C'est des conneries! N'exag're pas!
Contradictions S'il vous plait....
^^^^^ how can it not be ready if you have it...!!!??!?!?!?!?!
The GAMESCOM Thread
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C'est des conneries! N'exag're pas!
Contradictions S'il vous plait....
^^^^^ how can it not be ready if you have it...!!!??!?!?!?!?!
Henkka1111
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Ah so you're french now! But we're still waiting for those photos/videos. I think it's a lot easier to show us something real instead of just arguing.
Or is your camera broken? Accidentally fell down from the Eiffel tower?
lol! This is my first post on this site but thats great work! Looks like u r a fraud perfectstrik! Honestly man what is the point. Give it up!
R u going to put up photos etc? Unless u r then dont continue with your nonsense
byondthought
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Page 59: you say "its not/wasnt ready to show"
page 53 you say "I am playing (BEING SHOWN) the 95% build"
gamescom IS NOW, the sametime your playing the 95% build it could be at gamescom...!!!!!
page 53 you say "I am playing (BEING SHOWN) the 95% build"
gamescom IS NOW, the sametime your playing the 95% build it could be at gamescom...!!!!!
Joga_Bonito_91
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Ok, I understand what everybody is doing and we all know it probably isn't true considering what konami have been doing to us in the last 2 years.
I have a few points I'd like to present for arguement's sake.
-Not much shown at gamescom, nothing 'impressive', and konami knew that this wasn't going to impress very much. People have been shouting animations at konami, they know that fifa is the benchmark and that it is crucial to reach that level. Why all this hype? for nothing? sure seems like it.
-Konami said that they have been working on the game for 2 years, can't remember source.
-Why would he say all this? Isn't there a better way to get attention, 'streaking'? What's the point if we're all going to see the game, he sees that the reactions aren't really positive but persists, why?
-adam on wenb said before gamescom that something that made everybody open-mouthed would be anounced and put down suggestions that it would be 360 degree control, saying it wasn't nearly big enough. We haven't heard anythin big since.
-believe what you wan't, but I really feel that this is plausible, espectially after the gameplay manager's blog on working late
-before I forget, adam has been hinting on the euphoria engine, with comments such as " the force is strong with this one", and the title"gamescom to be full of (E)motion"
I have a few points I'd like to present for arguement's sake.
-Not much shown at gamescom, nothing 'impressive', and konami knew that this wasn't going to impress very much. People have been shouting animations at konami, they know that fifa is the benchmark and that it is crucial to reach that level. Why all this hype? for nothing? sure seems like it.
-Konami said that they have been working on the game for 2 years, can't remember source.
-Why would he say all this? Isn't there a better way to get attention, 'streaking'? What's the point if we're all going to see the game, he sees that the reactions aren't really positive but persists, why?
-adam on wenb said before gamescom that something that made everybody open-mouthed would be anounced and put down suggestions that it would be 360 degree control, saying it wasn't nearly big enough. We haven't heard anythin big since.
-believe what you wan't, but I really feel that this is plausible, espectially after the gameplay manager's blog on working late
-before I forget, adam has been hinting on the euphoria engine, with comments such as " the force is strong with this one", and the title"gamescom to be full of (E)motion"
byondthought
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That is indeed the logical "postive view" of it....
it just seems strange that they wouldnt have the euphoria licence after A: 2 years of making it or B: 8 weeks before release....
Trust me fingers are crossed, but with konami you need to see it to believe it...
And it dont help when your being told by MR Contradicty Mc contradiction over there perfectstrik..!!!
For me I wish some one would be honest I for one do not no what to think at the moment. I do think looking at the seabass video that the game was very different to the demo at games con in many ways and from reading some of the threads I think other people think the same way however there is that much going around at the moment I just hope to have PES back in the mix becouse people are banging on about FIFA all the time its driving me bloody mad
Henkka1111
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Where was Adam hinting with Euphoria like that? As far as I understood, Adam never meant it that way. Could you give us a quote or something?
And also a quote from where Adam said that 360 movement isn't big enough?
And also a quote from where Adam said that 360 movement isn't big enough?
Joga_Bonito_91
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about euphoria:
http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=89
read the part of "no way, that won't happen" type response, adam specifically said it was a suggestion that recieved that type of answer.
just look at the pes intros, fantastic!!!http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=89&start=40
look at this, you weren't expecting it I guarantee:
http://hotfilms.org/softwares/natural-motion-endorphin-2-5-2-a-49865.html
I couldn't find the link showing konami on the official website, but it was been shown before on wenb. endorphin is a branch of euphoria
Joga_Bonito_91
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no problems, I'll look for it straight away, just give me a sec. It's a big forum
byondthought
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Hmm, ok so on the theory that its in pes2010..
Konami signed the rights for 2010 builds but no future builds(unsure if it would work), they are still in negotiation to secure exclusivity rights for future PES games thus couldnt show it at gamescom or EA might offer more money for it or somthing...
This is my "positive" theory...
still need to see it to believe it....PES2010 uses Euphoria type animation..!!
Konami signed the rights for 2010 builds but no future builds(unsure if it would work), they are still in negotiation to secure exclusivity rights for future PES games thus couldnt show it at gamescom or EA might offer more money for it or somthing...
This is my "positive" theory...
still need to see it to believe it....PES2010 uses Euphoria type animation..!!
Perfectstrik
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You all have tunnel vision and you cant see or pick up on whats right in front of your eyes as your all so obsessed with the gamescom demo.
like i have said previously have a look at the gc trailer and notice on the 1.00 minute mark how things change.
As we get into september the marketing for pes2010 will go into overdrive.
Have none of you been to e3 before and seen what games look and play like compared to the finished products that we purchase on release.
Gamescom was never going to be the real showcase for pes2010 it was just all the fansites hyping it up and raising false expectations that where never going to be met.
Fifa10 was at a finished stage at gamescom and eas marketing and promotional activity has already started.
Ive played fifa10 and i really cant understand what all the fuss is about in relation to its animation,the graphics are inferior to pes2010 and the gameplay is slow and laboured and the so called 360 dribbling doesnt make a huge difference to the feel of the game its still very fifa09.
Was fifa09 really that good a game?while ea have certainly improved and have made progress most are agreed pes09 is still a more enjoyable game.
Is pes09 really that bad?no its not and pes2010 is a massive improvement that in my mind eclipses fifa10.
Is pes2010 pes6 no its not those days are gone and pes now is so much better for it the ps2 versions where just to forgiving and arcady and people like adam and others on wenb dress these earlier games up to be more then they ever where in reality.
Pes08-09 where the building blocks of a more realistic measured game that showed protential but fell well short of there lofted ambition.Pes2010 is the finished article the game that pes08-09 hinted at but never achieved.
Pes2010 is a welcome return to form for konami when it was at its best and most innovative creating landmark games like ISS on the n64 before it stripped away player control in favour of 8-axis movement and short pass orientated gameplay.
For those who experienced this freedom and level of control pes2010 will be like the return of a old friend.For those raised on a diet of pes this year will be a new learning curve that may takes weeks for them to embrace and realise the almost unlimited scope of 360 movement and passing.
Has pes ever moved ths good no,has pes ever played this well no,this is as close as this genre has ever come to replicating the real game.
like i have said previously have a look at the gc trailer and notice on the 1.00 minute mark how things change.
As we get into september the marketing for pes2010 will go into overdrive.
Have none of you been to e3 before and seen what games look and play like compared to the finished products that we purchase on release.
Gamescom was never going to be the real showcase for pes2010 it was just all the fansites hyping it up and raising false expectations that where never going to be met.
Fifa10 was at a finished stage at gamescom and eas marketing and promotional activity has already started.
Ive played fifa10 and i really cant understand what all the fuss is about in relation to its animation,the graphics are inferior to pes2010 and the gameplay is slow and laboured and the so called 360 dribbling doesnt make a huge difference to the feel of the game its still very fifa09.
Was fifa09 really that good a game?while ea have certainly improved and have made progress most are agreed pes09 is still a more enjoyable game.
Is pes09 really that bad?no its not and pes2010 is a massive improvement that in my mind eclipses fifa10.
Is pes2010 pes6 no its not those days are gone and pes now is so much better for it the ps2 versions where just to forgiving and arcady and people like adam and others on wenb dress these earlier games up to be more then they ever where in reality.
Pes08-09 where the building blocks of a more realistic measured game that showed protential but fell well short of there lofted ambition.Pes2010 is the finished article the game that pes08-09 hinted at but never achieved.
Pes2010 is a welcome return to form for konami when it was at its best and most innovative creating landmark games like ISS on the n64 before it stripped away player control in favour of 8-axis movement and short pass orientated gameplay.
For those who experienced this freedom and level of control pes2010 will be like the return of a old friend.For those raised on a diet of pes this year will be a new learning curve that may takes weeks for them to embrace and realise the almost unlimited scope of 360 movement and passing.
Has pes ever moved ths good no,has pes ever played this well no,this is as close as this genre has ever come to replicating the real game.
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Die Hard Pes Fan
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Come on Perfectstrik, pictures and you gamer tag, so we can believe you, we do want to but come on, pictures and gamer tag.
Yeah that's right! I remember the guy who got banned the second he started explaining about the endorphin engine, and that it would be used in PES10 instead of the euphoria engine everybody was guessing at... I'll see if I can find it too! ;o)
byondthought
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No one ever argued that pes wasnt enjoyable, the battle was won on IMPROVED REALISM...
PES is an old way of playing football computer games, fifa is new and different ofcourse people arnt going to get it right away...
Henkka1111
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And why is that? Because there's nothing in front of our eyes but Gamescom demos! So why don't you show that to us? We're still without your fancy photos and videos!
I want to take the red pill Morpheus!
Joga_Bonito_91
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here's the thread that reveals all: http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1087
read the first ten pages, that should clarify what I said.
listen to the podcast for even more info
here's the link for konami on endorphin: http://www.naturalmotion.com/products.htm
read the first ten pages, that should clarify what I said.
listen to the podcast for even more info
here's the link for konami on endorphin: http://www.naturalmotion.com/products.htm
On page #27 a little bit down, a guy called PES 4 eva (or something) start talking. He got banned straight after...
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=71912&page=27
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=71912&page=27
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