"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.

[scoles_1]

having never played fifa since 02 ,my m8 brought it around today for a couple of head to head matches ,and i`m not being biased towards PES ,but its not as good as PES 08 ,and no where near as good as PES 09

,and when a corner is taken it looks like a computer game ,not to mention the response of a deisel engine when you try and sprint then theres the one dimensional pasfifa is flowing fluent football with no feel lacks real depth espicially when it comes to shootingsing

then theres the graphics ,the game of football looks like your playing on a peice of green card ,on PES you can instantly tell who the player is on the ball ,fifa just looks the same throughout

i cant deny however that fifa is fun but to compare the two is like saying a crow in the tree is a racing pidgeon

I just don't understand where you are coming from. I can understand if you like pes better because you might enjoy the style of game, it is far more arcady than fifa which means some people who want less of a sim think fifa is boring. But to say fifa lacks depth is crazy, the way players weight affects tackles, even winning headers when you jostle, this is not there in pes anymore. The things that used to make pes the dogs nuts was the little things like players speed differences etc but fifa have now taken all those points but made them better. the only argument i coud accept with pes being better is the "fun factor" as i mentioned above, although this is not the case for me, and the ball physics. The reason i think you struggle with finding depth on shooting is because you were on the default noob setting of assissted where, i agree, every shot looks the same. try manual where the ball goes exactly where you aim and you'll see it a lot different and hard to master.

Disclaimer: I have accepted the above persons opinion and have no problem with it. . . just dont understand it!

 

[byondthought]

I just don't understand where you are coming from. I can understand if you like pes better because you might enjoy the style of game, it is far more arcady than fifa which means some people who want less of a sim think fifa is boring. But to say fifa lacks depth is crazy, the way players weight affects tackles, even winning headers when you jostle, this is not there in pes anymore. The things that used to make pes the dogs nuts was the little things like players speed differences etc but fifa have now taken all those points but made them better. the only argument i coud accept with pes being better is the "fun factor" as i mentioned above, although this is not the case for me, and the ball physics. The reason i think you struggle with finding depth on shooting is because you were on the default noob setting of assissted where, i agree, every shot looks the same. try manual where the ball goes exactly where you aim and you'll see it a lot different and hard to master.

Disclaimer: I have accepted the above persons opinion and have no problem with it. . . just dont understand it!

yup, some people just dont get it in the same way..there seems to be a real divide now with what people think makes a good FOOTBALL game..

to say that fifa lacks depth(maybe last year) is preposterous its more that people arnt able to find it due to the way they play pes..

its pretty much known by most football fans that fifa is the better game now, its the dawn of a new era with a new way of playing and thinking..

 

[scoles_1]

yea i agree, if you play it like you would play pes it would be poor, you have to think more in fifa, work hard for opening etc and make use of your strengths i.e target man or pacey winger. . . you never know though, with the poor sales this year hopefully konami will come back with a new engine and their first real next gen game, then we will see if theres ever gonna be a way back!

 

[byondthought]

yea i agree, if you play it like you would play pes it would be poor, you have to think more in fifa, work hard for opening etc and make use of your strengths i.e target man or pacey winger. . . you never know though, with the poor sales this year hopefully konami will come back with a new engine and their first real next gen game, then we will see if theres ever gonna be a way back!

i think it went to iss3 on ps2 before they changed/jumped up to pro evo, moved and grew their development team, could be the samething happens again..

 

[scoles_1]

i think it went to iss3 on ps2 before they changed/jumped up to pro evo, moved and grew their development team, could be the samething happens again..

hopefully something happens, it just annoys me how little konami listen to the people who play the game. over on the fifa forums EA representatiives and devs often post and see whats being said, thats why it has improved so much. . . cod they listen. Even for the jan update they had a form you could fill out for improvements to player hieghts etc you never see konami doing things like this!!

 

[Amateur]

PES09 movements are just embarrassing.. I have played 2K9 and FIFA09 and the movements are miles better. Hell, the PS2 versions of PES had better movement.

And I just don't get it, if PES 2010 haves the same arcade-like movements (directions) it will be least-selling PES title.

It is badly achieved minimalism, can barely do any tricks in here. And players like Riquelme do not even play similar to their real-life counterparts, they should implement those "rolling the ball" or "South American Dribbles" animations.

It gets a bit boring when after just 3 or 4 games you realize you don't have anything else to master, you only have:

- Step Overs

- L1 + R1

- Shooting + (X)

- Left Stick + R2

And a few very slight, very irrelevant dribbles such as the Drag Back (which used to be cool back in PES6, but now it's ineffective). And the outrageous "Tevez Roulette" and other unrealistic tricks that the game would be better without.

We still have "Dribbling Accuracy", "Dribbling Speed", and "Technique" as the "dribbling stats" -- which isn't specific enough.

Then there is the "Manual Passing" which feels just as "Linear" as everything else in this game. It's like the ball can only go in 8-directions, and the pace on the pass doesn't varies enough.

The same Old Strategies, the same Dribbling Moves, worst Controls, worst Movements, etc, etc..

Not even 4 or 7 New Stats to give us a hint of progress. Konami seems to be out of ideas, or out of ca$h. The certain thing is that FIFA is progressing, and PES is not.

Maybe the drop in sales will inspire the next PES5. But they (Konami) have a mountain to climb.

 

[muzza798]

I find in Fifa there's a great balence between having to pass your way through a team out of necesity (spelt wrong) and then when the time is right being able to blast through teams in the final third with Torres etc. In pes im always looking for that impact player that can just blitz defences but in Fifa i feel like i can aproach an attack in a variety of ways and inturn recieve many different outcomes.

In pes there's too much space on the pitch which is what makes the gameplay great but also makes the gameplay weaker. Giving you too much space constantly gives you the insentive to want to run at people ALL the time whereas in Fifa you have to actually think when your gonna run with it and where on the pitch your gonna get away with it.

Fifa makes you think how your gonna play whereas pes spoon feeds you football.

 

[Amateur]

I find in Fifa there's a great balence between having to pass your way through a team out of necesity (spelt wrong) and then when the time is right being able to blast through teams in the final third with Torres etc. In pes im always looking for that impact player that can just blitz defences but in Fifa i feel like i can aproach an attack in a variety of ways and inturn recieve many different outcomes.

In pes there's too much space on the pitch which is what makes the gameplay great but also makes the gameplay weaker. Giving you too much space constantly gives you the insentive to want to run at people ALL the time whereas in Fifa you have to actually think when your gonna run with it and where on the pitch your gonna get away with it.

Fifa makes you think how your gonna play whereas pes spoon feeds you football.

Exactly.. that's one of my main critics with PES09.

You have too much Space and Time available on the pitch, as a result I can afford to think very slowly and still come out on top.

As a Football Player myself I feel that's extremely unrealistic, you have to Think a lot Faster in real life.. because you have less space.

And only a handful of players have the ability of holding the ball in the middle of the pitch without loosing it. I find this excessively easy in PES09, I can basically zig-zag my way through anything.

I still have fun with the game, but it's still not as fun as say PES6 or PES5. And it isn't as fun as those versions, mainly because of the arcade-like movements, but also because of the immense space available on the pitch.

Acceleration on the last third is another thing that I find inaccurate.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I agree with quite a few things said above, particular about the EA reps, ive seen their feedback thread for FIFA 09, it seems they actually give a shit about what the fans want.

One thing that hasnt been mentioned about FIFA, is the home and away games. Being home means something, your team settles down quicker, gets momentum quicker and the opposition are wary of the home advatange and wont be as quick to commit men forward at the time at they might be at home. Away from home sometime you have to work harder to estiblish a rythym in the oppositions backyard and they really pass and play with a little more confidence in my eyes. Sometimes during an away game you will have to sit back defend and take your chances when they come.

And FIFA is by far the deeper game in terms of gameplay, how can it not be? There are more possibilities in terms of shooting passing and build up, and proper midfield battles. You cant just step off pro and cane fifa, especially if your pes game was based on run run run or exploiting cack AI gliches.

 

[dicky_t]

I just don't understand where you are coming from. I can understand if you like pes better because you might enjoy the style of game, it is far more arcady than fifa which means some people who want less of a sim think fifa is boring. But to say fifa lacks depth is crazy, the way players weight affects tackles, even winning headers when you jostle, this is not there in pes anymore. The things that used to make pes the dogs nuts was the little things like players speed differences etc but fifa have now taken all those points but made them better. the only argument i coud accept with pes being better is the "fun factor" as i mentioned above, although this is not the case for me, and the ball physics. The reason i think you struggle with finding depth on shooting is because you were on the default noob setting of assissted where, i agree, every shot looks the same. try manual where the ball goes exactly where you aim and you'll see it a lot different and hard to master.

Disclaimer: I have accepted the above persons opinion and have no problem with it. . . just dont understand it!

ok i`ll explain

when playing pes i like to pass ,my passing rate is around 85% ,naturally when i played fifa i played the same ,now to pass through pes i find i need to pass to work an angle to release players for their on game runs and sometimes the ball is played just behind the player running,but when playing fifa ,i could break up the opposistion and put together six passes with quite easily ,and all were to feet no miscontrols nothing,even with newcastle ,now i could go on and say i played the whole afternoon like this with every pass being perfect and every player was in posistion to receive it but i would only bore you but for me thats where the game lacked depth and yes i did play it on noob shooting but getting their wasnt a problem

now dont get me wrong fifa is an excellent game the same reason i just stated is its appeal any noob can pick it up and play good stuff ,it does play very well ,its very fluent and i do agree with so many points raised in the latter posts too ,fifa has taken some elements of what made pes good and incoporated them to their own brand almost like PES6 and for that reason makes fifa more fun to play ,both are easy to learn ,hard to master ,PES is more rewarding but fifa brings a smile to your face quicker

both games are fantastic ,but both have their let downs and thats before someone mentions online they are both simulating football but both uniquely different ,it is a matter of prefference

but as to which one is better if i was playing a noob id play fifa ,if i was playing a pro i would quite obviously play pro

 

[byondthought]

I find in Fifa there's a great balence between having to pass your way through a team out of necesity (spelt wrong) and then when the time is right being able to blast through teams in the final third with Torres etc. In pes im always looking for that impact player that can just blitz defences but in Fifa i feel like i can aproach an attack in a variety of ways and inturn recieve many different outcomes.

In pes there's too much space on the pitch which is what makes the gameplay great but also makes the gameplay weaker. Giving you too much space constantly gives you the insentive to want to run at people ALL the time whereas in Fifa you have to actually think when your gonna run with it and where on the pitch your gonna get away with it.

Fifa makes you think how your gonna play whereas pes spoon feeds you football.

i am absolutely loving fifa now(best computer football game i have ever played), it makes you think.. if you go to sleep in defence then you get punished but when your playing well you can actully get into the real dynamics of defendng like showing the attackers where you want them to go and shit, making perfectly timed (you have to or your off) slide tackles feels great..dribbling past players feels earned and skillfull.. once i got the timing of fifa sussed (not easy when having played so much pes) it all just started to work..it forces you to make the right choices when executing things, you cant just force your way through you need to play your way through.

has anyone played the credits on fifa??? the amount of people working on it is crazy... im sure there are some old pes programers that are listed in the gameplay section..!!!!! maybe EA poached some or they got fed up with Seabass and his ego..!!!

 

[Amateur]

ok i`ll explain

when playing pes i like to pass ,my passing rate is around 85% ,naturally when i played fifa i played the same ,now to pass through pes i find i need to pass to work an angle to release players for their on game runs and sometimes the ball is played just behind the player running,but when playing fifa ,i could break up the opposistion and put together six passes with quite easily ,and all were to feet no miscontrols nothing,even with newcastle ,now i could go on and say i played the whole afternoon like this with every pass being perfect and every player was in posistion to receive it but i would only bore you but for me thats where the game lacked depth and yes i did play it on noob shooting but getting their wasnt a problem

now dont get me wrong fifa is an excellent game the same reason i just stated is its appeal any noob can pick it up and play good stuff ,it does play very well ,its very fluent and i do agree with so many points raised in the latter posts too ,fifa has taken some elements of what made pes good and incoporated them to their own brand almost like PES6 and for that reason makes fifa more fun to play ,both are easy to learn ,hard to master ,PES is more rewarding but fifa brings a smile to your face quicker

both games are fantastic ,but both have their let downs and thats before someone mentions online they are both simulating football but both uniquely different ,it is a matter of prefference

but as to which one is better if i was playing a noob id play fifa ,if i was playing a pro i would quite obviously play pro

I think FIFA09 is incredibly overrated. It's sad that so many people think so much of a good game, nothing else and nothing more. It is good but it isn't great.

Though admittedly, I've barely even played FIFA09. Maybe I'll give it a serious try.

PES09 is also good at times, personally I feel its also good but not great. Even average at times, because it lacks plenty of replay value.

The thing that bothers me is that I still feel more involved when playing PES6 or PES5.

 

[byondthought]

ok i`ll explain

when playing pes i like to pass ,my passing rate is around 85% ,naturally when i played fifa i played the same ,now to pass through pes i find i need to pass to work an angle to release players for their on game runs and sometimes the ball is played just behind the player running,but when playing fifa ,i could break up the opposistion and put together six passes with quite easily ,and all were to feet no miscontrols nothing,even with newcastle ,now i could go on and say i played the whole afternoon like this with every pass being perfect and every player was in posistion to receive it but i would only bore you but for me thats where the game lacked depth and yes i did play it on noob shooting but getting their wasnt a problem

now dont get me wrong fifa is an excellent game the same reason i just stated is its appeal any noob can pick it up and play good stuff ,it does play very well ,its very fluent and i do agree with so many points raised in the latter posts too ,fifa has taken some elements of what made pes good and incoporated them to their own brand almost like PES6 and for that reason makes fifa more fun to play ,both are easy to learn ,hard to master ,PES is more rewarding but fifa brings a smile to your face quicker

both games are fantastic ,but both have their let downs and thats before someone mentions online they are both simulating football but both uniquely different ,it is a matter of prefference

but as to which one is better if i was playing a noob id play fifa ,if i was playing a pro i would quite obviously play pro

lol, your right you just dont get it...who were you playing?? the Easter bunny..!!!

thats what we have been saying if your preference is arcade like then you will prefer pes..!!

with out doubt people are just treating fifa like before and just playing it a little bit and only really seeing the surface(exactly what i did). if you dont see its depth then your not playing it the same as we are ..!!

 

[dicky_t]

I think FIFA09 is incredibly overrated. It's said that so many people think so much of a good game, nothing else and nothing more. It is good but it isn't great.

Though admittedly, I've barely even played FIFA09. Maybe I'll give it a serious try.

PES09 is also good at times, personally I feel its also good but not great. Even average at times, because it lacks plenty of replay value.

The thing that bothers me is that I still feel more involved when playing PES6 or PES5.

i dissagree with the fifa comment its not overrated ,they were miles apart years ago now fifa is seriously knocking on PES door

but i completly agree with involvement and intensity factor you mentioned simply because pes seems to be evolving towards the one player team game ,one superstar and 10 others ,BAL is clear evidence of that ,the pace isnt quite right espicially in the final third ,and the dribbling through teams too easy and the defence woefully inequipped to deal with it ,that part of PES needs to be changed its ripping the heart right out of the game

 

[dicky_t]

lol, your right you just dont get it...who were you playing?? the Easter bunny..!!!

thats what we have been saying if your preference is arcade like then you will prefer pes..!!

with out doubt people are just treating fifa like before and just playing it a little bit and only really seeing the surface(exactly what i did). if you dont see its depth then your not playing it the same as we are ..!!

quite obviously you didnt read and understand what i was saying ,so i will put this simple

i did not find fifa a challenge at all

it took me 2 seconds to win the ball at my 18 yard line pass to 5 with quick accurate passing to feet to their 6 yard box and shoot why go into depth when i can win easily by using the simplest method

the AI wasnt a challenge ,and playing a freind didnt feel intense

 

[byondthought]

I think FIFA09 is incredibly overrated.

thats what fifa players would say to me about pes..lol

the thing is actual hardcore pes players are buying fifa and looking more forward to fifa2010 than pes2010, considering that pes players would NEVER of done that for any other fifa game tells me that EA have done somthing monumental..!!!

 

[byondthought]

quite obviously you didnt read and understand what i was saying ,so i will put this simple

i did not find fifa a challenge at all

it took me 2 seconds to win the ball at my 18 yard line pass to 5 with quick accurate passing to feet to their 6 yard box and shoot why go into depth when i can win easily by using the simplest method

the AI wasnt a challenge ,and playing a freind didnt feel intense

LOL..!! it is you that didnt understand...come on dicky, think..!!

 

[dicky_t]

the thing is actual hardcore pes players are buying fifa and looking more forward to fifa2010 than pes2010, considering that pes players would NEVER of done that for any other fifa game tells me that EA have done somthing monumental..!!!

its more than monumental ,it speaks volumes about which direction the titles are going ,probably see you on some fifa site in 2011 hahahaha

 

[byondthought]

i'll put it this way... PES2009 is better than every other fifa game except 2009...

 

[dicky_t]

LOL..!! it is you that didnt understand...come on dicky, think..!!

i have thought it through quite clearly ,and described it in words adequetly and quite obviously your missing my entire point which is a shame really

and i dont think i could describe it any better without using pictures

maybe try re-reading