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Dude I agree with most of what your saying there. But to say that "PES5 is more realistic than PES6" -- that's not true, in PES5 the flow of the play was interrupted excessively, the non-stop fouls and free-kicks ruined what would've been the best PES to date. Instead they "fixed" that in...

I don't like the fact that star-studded teams are always great. It would be cool to have some New Concept about Team Chemistry, or something similar. I'd be cool, because a smaller team with good chemistry would have a credible chance against a big club with a not-so-good chemistry. I think...

That sounds more credible but... no matter how perfect a game may be, there's always something to improve, always. It's still too soon to start worrying about "milking the proverbial cow". Personally, I think the transition to Next Gen didn't go quite has Konami expected. That's what I think...

Yeah, which is Why I would prefer it if they would release a solid effort every Two Years. One year just isn't enough.

Instead of the usual thread for expressing how much you hate PES09 or how much you love PES09.. I find it useful to have a thread, not just for ideas or suggestions, but for discussing both the Pros and Cons about PES09. So that we can have some sort of constructive debate. And also, this would...

Konami should start releasing PES every 2 Years, this Yearly Tweaks aren't worth the money. I'm definitely not buying PES 2010 if the animations and movements remain the same. And if the "programmers are probably afraid to tweak anything very much for fear that the whole thing will stop...

Who's to say what "Modern Football" is ?? As far as I know Boca Juniors plays classic Football, AC Milan plays classic Football, AS Roma plays classic Football, Italy doesn't plays this so-called "Modern Football" -and- so on. Football cannot be labeled with just One Term, it's impossible...

Yeah, but the FACT you consistently allude is that -- Although PES09 is "tactical" in Intent, it is "arcade-like" in the Execution. The Controls, the Movements -- the execution spells Arcade game, it isn't close to a Simulation. Which is a good thing and a bad thing, because getting the...

I agree with that, that is WHY I think PES is still better than FIFA. In FIFA, once you are in front of goal -- it is lacking a lot of excitement and intensity. In this respect PES has always been far ahead, including PES09. In the shortest possible way I can put it -- PES09 is Tactical in...

I don't have much problems neither Defending nor Scoring Goals. But I have to say that Defensive Play is too Boring and one-dimensional. There's so much more to defending. As for "acceleration in the last third of the pitch" -- that's one of my main critics with PES09, it seems as though the...

I'm actually pretty good at Tackling in PES09, but the thing is that the movements are so bad, they feel even more "edgy" when you don't have the ball at your feet. I agree with shooting, I also like PES09's Shooting better. But like most things in the game, there's something that ruins it. I...

Yeah it's a shame that Konami doesn't features the Classic players with their Real Faces. I really think Konami should do it, before FIFA comes along and secures yet another license. It would also give a little something else to the "PES Shop", as it would be cool to Unlock Classic players with...

Agreed.. the other day I was playing PES6 with my brother, we where playing 2 vs COM -and- it was fun for a while, it was harder and addictive as usual. We won most games by large margins; 3-0 or 6-0 scorelines. Then we switched PES6 for PES09 -and- we still managed to win by large margins...

I agree with that.. but you know, PES09 isn't all bad, it haves some good things. But it's just not as good as PES6 or PES5. At times it feels like an arcade game, because it's just so plain and simple, it's minimalism gone wrong. Defending is too simple, Dribbling is too simple, Scoring Goals...

That's cool.. no offense taken. It's just that in my opinion, I cannot really say that "PES09 is shite" -But- there's something wrong with it, it lost whatever it was that made PES appealing. One of my main critics to PES09 is the lack of Intensity, it somehow feels numb. If you can look for...

The only Update is in the Graphics.. If PES6 had the same graphics as PES09, it would play and look a lot more fresher. But yeah, fact remains that if you play PES6 you will notice how bad the Graphics used to be. But the Gameplay quality was definitively better, fluid movements, intuitive...

Agreed.. Personally, I think PES used to be great, but mostly because of the time. I mean, PES was the 1st Football Sim (that I know off) to offer many Stats and Control options, it was the Football Sim that set the standards in the PS2. But the problem with the Series is that after PES5 it...

Dude, if PES6 didn't had the unbelievable Long Range Goals -- it would be far harder and more realistic than PES09. Everyone haves different opinions, but I just think that PES08 and PES09 are poor efforts from Konami.

No.. that's not the problem, the problem is that the COM decides if the shots go in or not. I played PES for years now, I'm not some newbie complaining about things. PES wasn't like this before. As for the "complaining" part, I can beat the COM at will. It's just like I said, I hadn't...

Dude, that's how I play.. But it's too easy. Whenever I start playing Passing-Football I win matches by large margins, it's too easy. Which is why at times I decide to play differently, to see if the COM can provide a better challenge. Instead I get countless of ridiculous goals, the COM...