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[Cristiano!]

That is utter shite, I was at least under the impression the computer would calculate a new youngster from the retired player, like CM. I just can imagine it now, an 18 year old Zinedine Zidane with a bald head and Adidas boots.

I don't usually swear but, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING KONAMI.

This combined with the fact we are forced to use default data which is usually about as accurate as Helder Postiga 18 yards from goal, has just made this the shittiest and most worrying day in terms of the new game.

Could we be in for a let down, with some of the crap they've been telling us about now, could it be a case of 1 step forward, 10 steps backwards?

 

[jumbo]

all the rest of the news sounds good, the only real downer is the regeneration of retired players still. The way it was said, was that they come back as youngsters, means they will still have the same name, appearence. That add realism?? I must be missing the point and did it also say in that translated article that this feature cant be switched off??

According to this theory, all online games are stupid.

Why? Because just like here you play with the same players after they come back as youngsters, in online games you play the same maps over and over.

So? Is it really stupid? Well, even though you're playin the same maps - are two matches the same? No, everyone is different.

So, why does the same apply to playing with the "same" players? After they come back and you buy them, will you be playing the exact same matches and doing everything the same as before? Will everything be the same, their stats, your match experiences? They'll have the same names but they won't be the same. Does the name really matter that much?

 

[jumbo]

Have you people ever thought that generating new players is simply not possible in this case?

Remember - the memory card is only 8 MB? How much space do created players in CM take up?

In WE8, everything from their appearances to stats would have to be saved. So, how many people could you generate?

Say you're playing 50 seasons. Every ten seasons you get 1000 new players. 50,000 new players on a memory card?

No no no no no...

Say, they would be overwritten by the new ones... That's still a 1000 new players.... or more.

 

[Alberto Tomba]

Wise first post, mate! Well im off people. Going on holiday at 04:30! Wont speak to yous all for 3 weeks! See yous!

A 3 week holiday? You lucky...

 

[Cristiano!]

No offence Jumbo - but the map analogy was utter tripe.

Fair point about the logistics of it though - however if its not possible to do the feature properly due to limited resources, and I still think it could be done some way or another - why include a half-assed, pathetic feature like returning retired players as youngster just with a different age or whatever.

I think if you can't do it properly, don't do it at all.

What a massive let down, not sure why people are trying to find excuses or plus points - the fact is that the news today has been a major dissapointment and we may be more reliant on the patch makers with this game than ever before.

 

[jumbo]

It's all common logic.

Some peeps (not you, just in general) should take their heads out of their butts and look at the different things such as technical limitations first before criticising.

If you think about it that way, maybe you'll realize that what they're doing is maybe the only & the best way they could do it at this time... on this system... with this hardware...

And as for not doing it at all:

> God didn't created the unvierse in one day.
> Greece didn't win the Euro by winning one game.
> It takes 9 months for a baby to come out.

Things take time. Better this than the same old shlt also known as WE6/WE7 ML.

How realistic is playing 30 seasons in Div 1 with a team consisting of all the best players in the game + best retired players?

Different = New = Fresh =/ Same Old Sh..

 

[larsson]

Say you're playing 50 seasons. Every ten seasons you get 1000 new players. 50,000 new players on a memory card?

No no no no no...

Say, they would be overwritten by the new ones... That's still a 1000 new players.... or more.

This doesn´t make any sense, you don´t know what you´re speaking about.
So how do the 5000 players which will be in the game fit on a memory card, on an option file which will only have 1,5 mb ? Simply. Because those things are NOT saved on the memory card. Even if it was saved on the card, lets say the 5000 original players take 1 mb out of the 1,5 mb. So 1000 new talents would take 200 kb more...
I like the most things which I´ve heard, except the ML default stat thing and the retirement. Like someone mentioned before, it´s bullshit to implement something in a game which is not 100% developed. And this is not 100% developed. A database like in CM IS possible in WE, actually CM with all its thousands of players and teams has only 300 mb. Fresh and new doesn´t mean automatically that it´s better. Maybe for you it´s better, well, ok, I accept your opinion, but for me not, why does Konami not give me the choice ? It´s both unrealistic, no retirements at all are unrealistic, and the thing which Konami makes now isn´t less unrealistic.
Don´t take this as an offence, but I have enough of those people who praise every new feature trickheadedly just because they can´t accept any critical voices.

 

[Foxhound]

i really like that classic players cant be used in ML.. but what i hate the most is that the retired players will recycle as a younger player

i hope that if konami cant get license for epl teams.. dammit!! please include the real clubs' call team name in the game!! like manchester united, arsenal,fulham etc

 

[Wallie_Wallie]

How realistic is playing 30 seasons in Div 1 with a team consisting of all the best players in the game + best retired players?

These are wise words. I don't mind new features in the game as long as they don't screw the gameplay

 

[t1000v2.0]

It's all common logic.

Some peeps (not you, just in general) should take their heads out of their butts and look at the different things such as technical limitations first before criticising.

No offence, but what you are saying doesnt make sense, like Larsson said. Technical limitations isnt the reason why konami cant do the retirement thing properly, as the hardware and storage media is good enough for player databases. It isn't actual players that are saved on a memory card the players and models are in the game. It's the player "data" that is stored on a card, which is no problem cos its only stats.

The limitation is that when you have retirement of real players, the more real players that retire you'll end up with fictional ones if these things weren't implemented in this way. So instead Konami are just recycling retired players so you still get to play with the big names and those that we know rather than made up ones. Now that is all well and good cos maybe there aren't many ways to get around the actual retirement thing, which makes me think then, leave the retirement out. Ok so its less realistic if players just keep going on, but then this regeneration seems far worse. Also its nothing to do with trying new or fresh ideas, if the idea sucks it sucks, new or old it doesn't matter. Cos what you are gonna have now if you imagine a scenario, is players who reach retirement age and retire will come back and be as young as Rooney and C. Ronaldo and the like. Imagine that, Shearer retires, comes back and is the same age as Rooney, tell me how this is gonna feel realistic/authentic as any football fan knows that Shearer had his day but has now been reborn, what the hell? this just kills all sense of realism,

but as i value the points of others on this and they seemed pretty mixed which is fair enough, but let's not lose sight as to why this is being implemented and why it seems a bad idea.

 

[GFK]

But you forget that Zidane also can come back as a Goal Keeper (As it seems now maybe this is not true and will Zidane always come back as MF).
And it always up to you, if you buy a young Zidane he will not automatically end in a Superb Zidane he is nowdays. You have to train and play matches with him, and you will ALWAYS get a a different Zidane. First time your Zidane ended up in a good Midfielder with a good technique, next you buy him he will be a ala Beckham with superb passing skills but not a very good technique. So you will ALWAYS get different Zidanes, I think this makes a big difference instead of always getting the same Zidane plus the fact ZIdane can come back as Goal Keeper makes it more interesting then you think.
Its always up to you how ZIdane will develop....

 

[H_A_N_S_E_N]

I just recently read some news on a danish website, and it had some info from konami. It seems that konami will try to get some more licensed teams for PES4. They already have 3 fully licensed leagues, and now they say that they expect to have even more licensed teams in PES4. That is great news Cheers....

 

[t1000v2.0]

Yes that is great news, I mean overall as long as the game engine is good and graphics and presentation are improved then I dont think the master league thing will bother me so much, it may even be ok in reality...ah well they know what they are doing....just.

 

[Foxhound]

Thanks to pascalito (Wearepes)

lucky bast@rd!!! they have play the game but why we havent seen a video?????????

 

[bostero]

maybe the retirement system is like Pcfutbol, when a player in that game was old and he started to play worst every season, he retired, and in the game apeared another player of the same nationality, same stats that the real player had when he retired (lower than usual),but with another name, for example when in Boca Juniors Serna was doing that in the game appeared a player called fernando nino, same as the old one but with 14-15 years less

 

[Cristiano!]

I hope so Bostero.

I really can't understand you Jumbo - how can you be defending this feature? Also don't tell me to pull my head out of my arse - are you fully aware of the technical side of things? I don't think so, if you ask me its very plausable to randomly create a new player based on the player that has just retired. These new players wouldn't be stored permananently, just temporarily within the master league file.

Don't forget, the data and appearance for every single player in the game is held within the option file, which is only 240kb. So they can therefore replace every player in the game in theory with only an extra 240kb.

How on earth you see the top players coming back to "life" as realistic is beyond me, you are still going to be able to keep the top players for 30 seasons, just with a little more effort.

Well said the person who said people are just afraid to hear a critical view. In my opinion its the worst idea I've ever heard - and considering that screenshot above makes it look like the game is all finished and out in the shops, means that this appalling feature is a reality.

Lets just hope the gameplay makes up for it...but I really thought Konami would of learnt by now.

 

[razor]

i dont understand why everyone is hating this feature. i thought this game was all about realism. it isnt realistic if you have an 83 year old playing on your team. if you dont like itjust turn the feature off. i can almost guarantee it will give yoiu the option of having it on or not.

 

[larsson]

But you forget that Zidane also can come back as a Goal Keeper (As it seems now maybe this is not true and will Zidane always come back as MF).
And it always up to you, if you buy a young Zidane he will not automatically end in a Superb Zidane he is nowdays. You have to train and play matches with him, and you will ALWAYS get a a different Zidane. First time your Zidane ended up in a good Midfielder with a good technique, next you buy him he will be a ala Beckham with superb passing skills but not a very good technique. So you will ALWAYS get different Zidanes, I think this makes a big difference instead of always getting the same Zidane plus the fact ZIdane can come back as Goal Keeper makes it more interesting then you think.
Its always up to you how ZIdane will develop....

Was it so hard then to give this new Zidane another name ? And (almost) everyone would be happy. And like you said, it´s possible that the players come back on the same position and with the same appearance.
Well I will change the age for all players to the lowest possible setting before playing, this should give me at least 15 seasons without retiring

 

[Alberto Tomba]

Thanks to pascalito (Wearepes)

lucky bast@rd!!! they have play the game but why we havent seen a video?????????

Hmmmmmmm IMHO the lighting looks the same,oh boy this gets me worried. you see I could care less about licenses,ML,regeneration,and or classic players. If this game doesn't improve it's pitch atmosphere graphically then i'd call konami bad words.

P.S. You can do feints easily by just tapping at the :R2: button in Football Kingdom

 

[jumbo]

I hope so Bostero.

I really can't understand you Jumbo - how can you be defending this feature? Also don't tell me to pull my head out of my arse - are you fully aware of the technical side of things? I don't think so, if you ask me its very plausable to randomly create a new player based on the player that has just retired. These new players wouldn't be stored permananently, just temporarily within the master league file.

Don't forget, the data and appearance for every single player in the game is held within the option file, which is only 240kb. So they can therefore replace every player in the game in theory with only an extra 240kb.

How on earth you see the top players coming back to "life" as realistic is beyond me, you are still going to be able to keep the top players for 30 seasons, just with a little more effort.

Well said the person who said people are just afraid to hear a critical view. In my opinion its the worst idea I've ever heard - and considering that screenshot above makes it look like the game is all finished and out in the shops, means that this appalling feature is a reality.

Lets just hope the gameplay makes up for it...but I really thought Konami would of learnt by now.

Generating new players = adding more players = adding more data.

Chagning only stats for existing players = not adding any players = no data added, only changed.

Didn't somone already explain that the only thing the new players coming back will have with the old ones will be their names? That's it. They will diff stats, play diff positions, etc.

Is it so damn hard to overlook a frikin "name" and play the game?

It's all about the names. It's really all about the names. All about the names. Do names really make that much difference to you? Will they make your playing experience worse? N-a-m-e = That's "name". English word for something you call a person not more than that................