Death of dribbling

[Bite.Me]

Fine tune your graphics settings on the PC and you won't have those issues with response time....

Also, dribbling now is much more precise... sometimes you have to dribble without pressing the run button.... choose when to burst for a gap in defense... it's kind of pointless running around all the time....

 

[redstar5]

... I feel you have to plan your commands in advanced whereas in 2009 you relied on last minute decisions cuz it was super responsive which is unrealistic....

For me this is where PES10 really falls down. When playing football, you can make immediate decisions, as well as deciding in advance, and this is what previous versions of PES managed to replicate. It may not have been 'realistic', but it captured the spirit. The new dribbling controls seem to offer less immediacy and a 'by numbers' approach. I will perservere, who knows it may grow on me....

 

[Stormrider]

For me this is where PES10 really falls down. When playing football, you can make immediate decisions, as well as deciding in advance, and this is what previous versions of PES managed to replicate. It may not have been 'realistic', but it captured the spirit. The new dribbling controls seem to offer less immediacy and a 'by numbers' approach. I will perservere, who knows it may grow on me....

That's cuz the ball was glued to their feet in previous Pes games. Like I said earlier, the slower you travel the quicker response you get cuz the ball is much closer to their feet. In reality, footballers will slow to a crawl, do a trick to beat their man, then accelerate but in past Pes games you can magically instantly zip into all kinds of directions at high speed over and over again. This time around it's refreshingly more realistic so slowing down and using R2 dribbles are actually effective now.

I'm playing the NA version on PS3 and have no issues with response except when it rains I'm almost certain everyone becomes more sluggish which is a good thing. Also when a defender is really close I can't always do what I want immediately cuz they're harassing me. Makes sense cuz irl you can't either with a defender breathing down your neck.

As much as I enjoyed dribbling in Pes 09, this new slower approach is really refreshing and rewarding. It's too bad they didn't slow down the other areas of the game too.

 

[LEGOFLAMB22]

???

No. Players like Messi and Ronaldo are given the license to play the game as they wish on most occasions, so they can dribble and score at will if they could. Do you honestly think they can dribble past half the team and score when they please? if so then you are sadly mistaken.

No matter how good you are you can never beat 3/4 players at will every time let alone the whole team as you would on PES 2009. Even the greatest dribbler of all time; Diego Maradona could not do that most of the time.



True, this works a treat if you time it well.

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

They can do it but don't because they're worried about taking the risk and it's a team game, it's often much easier to pass than to run but they can do it. It is virtually impossible in PES2010 due to flawed mechanics.

It doesn't matter about what they do in real life - in a fictional 10 minute game where I decide every move my players make I should like to be able to skin a few players when I see fit. If they are at all capable of accomplishing a couple of slick moves and a goal then I think you should have the option to try it when you please.

Even in older pro evos yes you can run round a lot of the players if you so fancy but it's still easier to pass it, but less fun, and not as much scope to make your friends look like idiots.

 

[riverplatelv]

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

They can do it but don't because they're worried about taking the risk and it's a team game, it's often much easier to pass than to run but they can do it. It is virtually impossible in PES2010 due to flawed mechanics.

It doesn't matter about what they do in real life - in a fictional 10 minute game where I decide every move my players make I should like to be able to skin a few players when I see fit. If they are at all capable of accomplishing a couple of slick moves and a goal then I think you should have the option to try it when you please.

Even in older pro evos yes you can run round a lot of the players if you so fancy but it's still easier to pass it, but less fun, and not as much scope to make your friends look like idiots.

Most people want a realistic football game. Not too realistic where the fun is gone but also not crossing the line of bull.s.h.i.t. If players can skin through defenders easily then there is no point to pass the ball is there. Give it to Ronaldo and he will end it in goal, i mean whats the fun of that? No challenge at all if C.ronaldo can dribble like 4 defenders... in real football I highly doubt he can dribble past 3, because the 3rd guy usually will foul him by pushing him off balance, it is a contact sport and defenders wont let u ran past like that

 

[shaun7]

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

They can do it but don't because they're worried about taking the risk and it's a team game, it's often much easier to pass than to run but they can do it. It is virtually impossible in PES2010 due to flawed mechanics.

It doesn't matter about what they do in real life - in a fictional 10 minute game where I decide every move my players make I should like to be able to skin a few players when I see fit. If they are at all capable of accomplishing a couple of slick moves and a goal then I think you should have the option to try it when you please.

Even in older pro evos yes you can run round a lot of the players if you so fancy but it's still easier to pass it, but less fun, and not as much scope to make your friends look like idiots.

Pes 10 plays like pes 5 mostly. It's a good balance between attack and defence. Messi and C.ronaldo in reality CANNOT dribble all the time. It doesn't matter if it's a team game or not. It all depends on the situation and not every situation is suited to them dribbling around. You are underrating the defenders.

 

[zizou4ever]

I think the correct title for this thread would be: "The death of easy dribbling", because that's what we had in PES 2009.

I am training to dribble in PES 2010 and I am improving a lot. Dribbling is harder in this version, but it is also more rewarding. And yes, you can still dribble all the defender but not all the time. There are some situations you can do. And dribbling one or two opponents to get space for shooting or passing is quite easy after some training. The problem is that is different what we were used to. In PES 2009 it was too easy and unrealistic. I could get my crap 17-yo BAL player and do it! I could dribble even using a defender or less skilful player.

 

[Rasmus]

Fine tune your graphics settings on the PC and you won't have those issues with response time....

Also, dribbling now is much more precise... sometimes you have to dribble without pressing the run button.... choose when to burst for a gap in defense... it's kind of pointless running around all the time....

Too bad i'm on ps3 then

 

[CAN7ONA]

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

They can do it but don't because they're worried about taking the risk and it's a team game, it's often much easier to pass than to run but they can do it. It is virtually impossible in PES2010 due to flawed mechanics.

It doesn't matter about what they do in real life - in a fictional 10 minute game where I decide every move my players make I should like to be able to skin a few players when I see fit. If they are at all capable of accomplishing a couple of slick moves and a goal then I think you should have the option to try it when you please.

Even in older pro evos yes you can run round a lot of the players if you so fancy but it's still easier to pass it, but less fun, and not as much scope to make your friends look like idiots.

Mate, honestly your whole logic is "FAIL".

Let's keep this simple; your point was that players like Ronaldo, Messi etc can skin players at will, when ever they pleased. Simply put I countered with the fact that, that is utter bullshit.

It is precisely as you say; less risky to pass to your team mate then to attmept to dribble all the time. You have contradicted your own argument becuase this is exactly what PES 2010 tries to reflect in the game; If you try to dribble most times you will succeed very rarely, just like in reality. Which means the Messi's cannot dribble past 3/4 defenders avery time, they either get crowded, out-muscled, tackled or fouled.

With practice it will be easier to skip past one or two defenders under certain scenarios I am sure of that, but it will be in no way as ridiculous as PES 2009 and ultimately that is what you want easy, unrealistic dribbling.

 

[Stormrider]

I think the correct title for this thread would be: "The death of easy dribbling", because that's what we had in PES 2009.

I am training to dribble in PES 2010 and I am improving a lot. Dribbling is harder in this version, but it is also more rewarding. And yes, you can still dribble all the defender but not all the time. There are some situations you can do. And dribbling one or two opponents to get space for shooting or passing is quite easy after some training. The problem is that is different what we were used to. In PES 2009 it was too easy and unrealistic. I could get my crap 17-yo BAL player and do it! I could dribble even using a defender or less skilful player.

I remember my shitty 17-yo bal constantly beating decent defenders too with only 60ish dribbling and low speed lol

 

[shaun7]

^This year it's much more realistic where you truly have to struggle.

 

[Dragonfly]

I don't think turning 90 degrees should be so rigid, no matter who the player is. It isn't a problem if you're a top class player, but I've started a Master League with the default ML players and none of the players can do it. I've even noticed that half the team can't even sprint with the ball! They should bring back the gameplay of PES6 on the PS2, but improve the defenders.

 

[muzza798]

Dribbling is good in 2010. Robben and Messi are good at it and have high response times thus are quick at turning and players like Kuyt and Giggs are not as good but capable. There is no issue with dribbling imo.

 

[tosheus]

Dribbling is good in 2010. Robben and Messi are good at it and have high response times thus are quick at turning and players like Kuyt and Giggs are not as good but capable. There is no issue with dribbling imo.

i have to say, when i first started playing it, the response time really got to me. it seemed like an unfinished game at times. i couldn't dribble past anyone, with anyone and no way could i get off a shot.. but now i can do both fluently. the thing is, we're used to this arcade type of movement that pes 2009 offered. rigid, but nice to look at. and most importantly, when mastered, easy to exploit. but i think now, the response time's completely down to me. i have to be right on it. check his stronger foot, stats, strengths, then press the button just when it's actually possible for a real person to hit the ball. i've always wanted a game that really reflected an actual game and was really hard to master, then when mastered would still be difficult. and i'm hoping this is it. i'm really impressed with it. well done!

 

[JaRoLLz]

If you've become to used to dribbling mechanics in 2009, of course the 2010 will be so difficult for you. It's enough to frustrate me for days. However, there's one thing about 2010 dribbling: `you should pay attention to the players feet`.

In 2009, whenever i want to change direction it happens in almost an instant for Messi, however in 2010, it will happen in almost an instant too for Messi if his main dribbling foot is about to reach the ball. However if the `weaker` foot is the one that he must use, then i have some `unresponsiveness` i.e. either he's forced to use his weaker foot (usually happens when under pressure) or he quickly move his `stronger` foot to touch the ball.

In the end, the dribbling gets very realistic in 2010.

 

[Stormrider]

^You 3 up there are spot on.

Edit: scratch that thought I was on to something lol.

 

[tosheus]

If you've become to used to dribbling mechanics in 2009, of course the 2010 will be so difficult for you. It's enough to frustrate me for days. However, there's one thing about 2010 dribbling: `you should pay attention to the players feet`.

In 2009, whenever i want to change direction it happens in almost an instant for Messi, however in 2010, it will happen in almost an instant too for Messi if his main dribbling foot is about to reach the ball. However if the `weaker` foot is the one that he must use, then i have some `unresponsiveness` i.e. either he's forced to use his weaker foot (usually happens when under pressure) or he quickly move his `stronger` foot to touch the ball.

In the end, the dribbling gets very realistic in 2010.

'you should pay attention to the players feet'..... right on brother!

 

[DublinGunner]

I for one much prefer the dribbling in 2010.

You can still fly down the wings with decent fast players, with the odd quick turn here and there, and swing the ball into the box - but its a LOT harder to do that down the middle, where even against the worst sides you'll most likely get crowded out.

It forces you to become more creative in your play, pass the ball, quick one two's, nice through balls etc.

Much better

Now if they just fix the damn tacking and referee's...

 

[zeemeister]

Dribbling in 2010 is perfect IMO. Layoff the R1, use the R2 to get the ball under control and watch the defenders movement and you can beat players with average dribblers.

 

[Rasmus]

^ Agree. No more running holding the R1 like a mad man. I mostly do it on the wings.. One of the big differences from pes09 to 10 is that now it's not just about holding R1 all the time..