You may say that the issues of pes 12 are game breakers which in my view aren't, HOWEVER, for some the issues that pes 11 had were gamebreakers. Seriously, the issues of pes 11 weren't small time at all, however I hate the fact that every pes game has to have this bad side that make it look unfinished.
Pes 11 had:
- Cursor Switching ( which improved in pes 12 is still not good enough ).
- Catch up bug ( which in pes 12 is removed but now its the opposite, you can't catch some players at all once they get past you even tho they dribble the ball and you run without it ( and the top speeds of both can be similar, so the players are a bit too fast with the ball compared to without it, alltho its better than last year and its not a huge issue just a bit overdone ).
- Responsiveness ( improved in pes 12 ).
Now in addition to some "semi-fixed" things from pes 11 that are still not perfect, here are the rest of the issues with pes 12:
- Close control of players is ridicilous, when you sprint with someone with 70 DA he makes 1 touch per 1 stride, ffs even Messi doesn't do that in real life.
- Team individuality, every freaking team plays completely the same way , 1.get ball 2. RUSH FORWARD DRIBBLE PAST PLAYERS TRY TO SCORE 3. lose ball/score 4. sit DEEP and defend.
- Tactics, even tho we only have 1 true tactic ( as changing pre set tactics only really changes the players on your team , AI will still play almost completely the same no matter what you change ) but that 1 tactic alone is way wrong, what team sits back with 10 players in their penalty box, like EVER? I swear I never saw that even Inter/Chelsea against Barca, its completely unrealistic and ridicilous, there is no midfield and I don't even feel like im playing/watching a realistic soccer match.
- Keepers are absolutely HORRIBLE on 1.00 and 1.01, they are simply HORRIBLE, I can't find any other word to describe them.
- Standing tackles are too ineffective and there should also be a button I can press to foul someone whenever I want ( If I want to stop them from advancing that is ) and risk a yellow card but still, the only thing you can do in this case is slide tackle as you can't really do a standing tackle whenever and however you want.
- The game is much more assisted than pes 11 was, ffs even shooting is assisted and you can't even shoot whichever direction you want , the CPU sometimes overrides your commands and chooses whichever the CPU wants, this is a huge issue btw.
- Refs are horrible, they won't give out a yellow card for ANY standing tackle apart from a SLIDE tackle, no matter what kind of situation, even if your the last man , or theres a clear scoring chance, thats just cheating man.. the cpu stops you when you could go on and score and get no yellow card or anything.
- Scripting is the most horrible ive ever seen in any game, its a joke the AI can skip past your man if its one on one whenever he wants with PERFECTLY timed and excecuted bursts even if the cpu player is someone with 50 DA, EP etc...
How are these issues not HUGE gamebreaking stuff ??
Honestly PES 12 is not even an improvement over PES 11 for me, I rate them both the same.
They added/fixed alot of things which are positive that you mentioned before and I agree with you, but on the other hand they removed/destroyed some other things that ALREADY WERE positive from previous games and ABSOLUTELY should not be removed/destroyed. Its like KONAMI doesn't get/ignores every freaking single feedback they get, its useless really..
For some PES 12 might be an improvement over PES 11, for me its not, I rate them the same. However even if PES 12 is an improvement for you and some people you can't say its a big improvement with all the shit they ruined next to adding/fixing some positive things, its at best a slight improvement.
Last year was a major step forward and I got some hope for this year, but this year was a disapointment for me, 5 steps forward and 5 steps back ( 4 for some like you I guess ).
^You obviously haven't played fifa 12 because those are ONLY the few issues so far.
So you're saying that tactical defending is like in real life?
FAR, FAR from it. Did you EVEN read the part where in fifa 12, there are spots near the side of the goal net, that A STANDING TACKLE NEVER WORKS? Glitch
Standing tackles are a hit and miss and the timing is usually off. You NEVER feel comfortable defending because it is SO inconsistent. If you like that. good for you. I don't.
At least pes 12's defending is rewarding and you can actually learn to do it properly, and when you do, you'll be more comfortable because IT IS CONSISTENT unlike fifa's tactical defending.
The AI. Oh man, fifa 12's AI is S***.. I cannot stress this enough. They tried to make the AI play hard, but failed to do it, so they made a super cheating AI with superhuman players that dribble all around you (because of the standing tackle issues and inconsistency) and finess you from anywhere.
Keepers. Yes pes does have bad keepers, BUT FIFA'S KEEPERS ARE ALL SUPERMAN.
Collision. Yes pes' collision system is not good. BUT HONESTLY, does it bother you? IT'S NOT FUNDAMENTAL. IT's just for eye catching stuff only.
And fifa's collision system is glitched to a point where there will be many occasions of a broken arm or leg that bend like rubber if it was real life. Go watch some replays to understand me on fifa 12, CLOSE UP though
Pes has 4 dibbling styles. Correct and it's stupid. But FIFA only has 1.
Shooting in pes 12 is bit weird, yeah I admit BUT look at fifa's.
Finesse all day means a super curled shot in the corner that even the keeper can do.
Animations are a joke in pes yeah. I will give you that. But hopefully, before speaking about pes vs ffia, play the 2 games and analyse them better next time.
Man wth, have you ever really played fifa 12?
-im not using tactical defending but the normal one so I can't comment on that, but you can choose for urself anyway.
-superhuman ai yeah right... I play on legendary and I have no problem with superhuman ai, it seems pretty good to me, if you don't like it you also have the options to change sliders to make it more realistic. On the other hand pes AI is cheating with its scripting and u cant do anything to change it ( apart maybe a patch much later ).
-superhuman keepers... sure.. again you got sliders you can set them to be realistic.
-fifa 12 shooting has issues same as pes, you can't really say which is better its about preference, I for one am seriously annoyed with the automated shooting in pes, the rest is great tho.
So as you can see you really haven't been honest writing this or haven't played fifa.
For me fifa has made alot of improvements from last year, most notably the sliders which lets you adjust the game to make it more realistic.
so ATM playing both pes and fifa quite alot I would say pes is a decent 6.5 and fifa is a strong 7.
Now im waiting for yair/jenkey to fix most of the things in pes, if they manage to do it then pes has the potential to be prolly up to a 7.5-8 , since some issues can't be fixed with any patch.
