Had to quit Master League, Nearly done with this game.

[Stormrider]

True, but the AI, particularly goalkeeper and defending AI was never this bad in the PS2 prime versions, no way, I never had a problem which defenders standing still and passes literally going through them. Its annoying, this AI is not acceptable for next gen imo, I cant accept AI like this when I know full well it was better in these aspects many years ago. It needs correcting cos I am not going through this again next year. Not being funny, but the player switching is embarrassing, Ive been in situations where I have a player running towards the box so you have 2 defenders stilling completely still whilst a striker runs through the middle towards goal and the CPU will NOT let me switch to the last defenders to stop this guy until he gets really really close to the box, then the semi auto switching allows me to me to move my final 2 defenders and by then the CPU has had a free run at goal, it was NEVER like this on PS2, its fucked, you just cannot dispute it.

In about 20 matches for me I haven't experienced what you mentioned yet, although that occurred all too frequently in Pes 2010. Hoping I won't see shit like that but if I do I'll be prepared for it as I'm so used to that shit happening in Pes 2010 that it's almost normal for me lol. So far I find the AI challenging while being fair and definitely much more fun to play against as now they actually attack and score goals, compared to, on occasions, the utterly boring AI in last year's game.

1 thing I can definitely agree on is the completely fucked up player switching and it's almost unbelievable how they haven't fixed it yet. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the old PS2 system that used various bars. Instead some fucktard at Konami thought it would be a bright idea to just limit it to 3 poor options.

Still, Pes 2011 does do some things better then the PS2 games. I dunno if this would be in the AI department but in Pes 3, it was incredibly easy to land successful chipped through balls and chipping the keeper with the low R1 chip required almost no effort. In Pes 4, during a league season the AI controlled top teams like Inter, AC Milan, and Real Madrid just won't lose! They would constantly rack up 100+ points per season and their players would always top the league with 35-40 league goals. It was a complete joke looking at the standings and how the goal scoring charts were littered with 30 goal scorers. I remember one time I needed 104 points to win the league! Ridiculous. In Pes 5 the AI couldn't score even if you paved the way for them. It was normal to finish a season with only 5 league goals conceded. At times that made them really boring to play against. I know we're talking about PS2 but in Pes 2010 on PS3, Messi in the hands of AI was completely useless. Despite being the 2nd player in the game, he would only finish the season with around 5-8 goals, being outscored by just about everyone on his team. Makes no fuckin sense to me when in reality he did 40+ and he was doing 20-30 when he was younger.

None of that shit happens in Pes 2011. I know many are not direct gameplay flaws but shit like the Pes 4 and Pes 5 flaws I mentioned really take away from the single player enjoyment and realism, much more so then the occasional cursor switch, keeper, or defender fuck up. League standings look true to life now with the strongest teams needing about 90 points to win the league. Goalscoring leader is realistically around the 20-30 goal mark. Messi can finally score in the hands of AI! He is topping the goalscoring and assists charts right now. So you see we have gone a long way with AI in some departments. Some things can definitely use improvement but imo there's nothing game breaking and this is by far the best single player experience I've enjoyed since Pes 3.

 

[mjgzo8]

I want to play a game where I win every match 10 nil.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Still, Pes 2011 does do some things better then the PS2 games. I dunno if this would be in the AI department but in Pes 3, it was incredibly easy to land successful chipped through balls and chipping the keeper with the low R1 chip required almost no effort. In Pes 4, during a league season the AI controlled top teams like Inter, AC Milan, and Real Madrid just won't lose! They would constantly rack up 100+ points per season and their players would always top the league with 35-40 league goals. It was a complete joke looking at the standings and how the goal scoring charts were littered with 30 goal scorers. I remember one time I needed 104 points to win the league! Ridiculous. In Pes 5 the AI couldn't score even if you paved the way for them. It was normal to finish a season with only 5 league goals conceded. At times that made them really boring to play against. I know we're talking about PS2 but in Pes 2010 on PS3, Messi in the hands of AI was completely useless. Despite being the 2nd player in the game, he would only finish the season with around 5-8 goals, being outscored by just about everyone on his team. Makes no fuckin sense to me when in reality he did 40+ and he was doing 20-30 when he was younger.

None of that shit happens in Pes 2011. I know many are not direct gameplay flaws but shit like the Pes 4 and Pes 5 flaws I mentioned really take away from the single player enjoyment and realism, much more so then the occasional cursor switch, keeper, or defender fuck up. League standings look true to life now with the strongest teams needing about 90 points to win the league. Goalscoring leader is realistically around the 20-30 goal mark. Messi can finally score in the hands of AI! He is topping the goalscoring and assists charts right now. So you see we have gone a long way with AI in some departments. Some things can definitely use improvement but imo there's nothing game breaking and this is by far the best single player experience I've enjoyed since Pes 3.

Sorry but I have played a shit load of pes over the years on the highest settings, I have NEVER once seen ANY player score 40 goals in a season other than one of my players, I did it once ever with Saviola on PES 4 (41 league goals)

The league standings have nearly always been accurate for me, and PES on ps2 used to have 30 game league seasons didn't it? So not sure how getting 100 points was possible. I never needed 90 plus points to win a league, I think 70 or so was usually enough.

Single player so far, i've won 15/16 league games on top player and beat Inter 3-0 in the san siro on top player,.............and the AI still sucks anus. This isnt aimed at you per say, its that the AI is still garbage even when I win games, so its not about winning/losing. The defensive AI needs fixing, and if they fix it next year, you can be sure people will be turning up saying how shit the defensive AI in Pes 2011 was in the first place.

VERY ADDICTIVE GAME. with alot of good things about it, ill be writing a post on the good and the bad eventually, but I wanna play more games 1st. No doubt about it, when this game is good, its very good but there is some messed up shit in it.

 

[themaestro]

I just can't get into this game. My mates play FIFA so I play them, plus I prefer it online anyway. I've played a few games on PES11, but they seem so frustrating. I too notice the AI doing ridiculous things. I do want to give it an honest go for a while and see if something clicks with it though. There is a lot I like about the game.

 

[Stormrider]

Sorry but I have played a shit load of pes over the years on the highest settings, I have NEVER once seen ANY player score 40 goals in a season other than one of my players, I did it once ever with Saviola on PES 4 (41 league goals)

The league standings have nearly always been accurate for me, and PES on ps2 used to have 30 game league seasons didn't it? So not sure how getting 100 points was possible. I never needed 90 plus points to win a league, I think 70 or so was usually enough.

Try Pes 4 on 6 star difficulty again and you'll see what I was talking about. I think 5 star was the same but can't remember exactly as I mostly played on 6 star. It was ridiculous how I scored 34 goals with Trezeguet and it still wasn't enough to win the golden boot. Other times I'd hit about 20 and end up at the bottom of the goalscoring charts lol.

Pes 3 and older had less games per season cuz every league was missing teams, like the EPL only had 16 teams. Pes 4 was the 1st to have complete 20 club leagues including fully licensed Serie A, La Liga, and Eredivisie. So it was possible to get 100+ points in a season from Pes 4 and onwards.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Try Pes 4 on 6 star difficulty again and you'll see what I was talking about. I

I played 6 stars too, Never happened, and I was referring to Master League regarding the points system, If your referring to league mode, then yeah, you'll prolly right, I never bothered with that mode, always played Master League and master league on PS2 was a 30 game league season until pes 2008 I believe.

 

[Stormrider]

Ah that makes sense. Yeah you're right I remember now. ML was still only 16 teams in top flight with 8 teams in dvision 2, which was one of the main reasons that kept me away from that mode lol.

 

[Avelives]

League standings look true to life now

Except in my ML Liverpool won the Premier League last season (when I was in D2) and are second this season, thats not realistic at all :w00t

 

[zeus0407]

ok when people say that they didnt have those problems, well they dont look too good or have just too much luck. ill write mine overall review of game here tomorow i think, anyway this is pure crap, and when people say Konami cant do it good with AI, well they cant but they wont, thats basic marketing trick, so all those people who give them money for this game can buy new version next year hopeing things will be fixed, but then same shit again. there are also big problems in BAL not just ML, and i dont know about you guys, Konami puts big efforts in animations like goal celebrating and graphic of players and stadiums and well for me, i would like better to have average graphic but great AI and smart game, if you all know what i mean

sorry about spelling mistakes

 

[Montanaro]

MLO is only slightly better the ML.

People including me still have problems switching players, and the tendency for people online to play a front 3 exacerbates these problems. You really have to fight your own players in order to play any sort of defense, otherwise the person your playing against will do a through ball and be one on one over and over and over.

Can't wait for FM11, managing budgets and tinkering formations is much more fun that PES right now.

 

[Amateur]

ok when people say that they didnt have those problems, well they dont look too good or have just too much luck. ill write mine overall review of game here tomorow i think, anyway this is pure crap, and when people say Konami cant do it good with AI, well they cant but they wont, thats basic marketing trick, so all those people who give them money for this game can buy new version next year hopeing things will be fixed, but then same shit again. there are also big problems in BAL not just ML, and i dont know about you guys, Konami puts big efforts in animations like goal celebrating and graphic of players and stadiums and well for me, i would like better to have average graphic but great AI and smart game, if you all know what i mean

sorry about spelling mistakes

I know what you mean, I feel the same way.

Though for me, it's not about going back to PES5 or PES6, because PES5 and PES6 are just as dumb; and, in addition, modern animations, modern graphics, the modern passing system, will never fit in with the ISS/PES5/PES6 Famicom Concept.

This was clearly evident with FIFA09, and again, it is more evident than ever with PES11: the 360-axis passing system does not fits in with PES5, it makes the game too easy and too dumb.

It's a bad mix between arcade and simulation, and it's simply not working, nor will it ever work.... because the passing system is too advanced for the FAMICOM FOUNDATION that PES11 uses: basically, making what has always been a dumb game, even dumber than it was.

They -Konami, EA Sports- can and should replace the old ping pong formula, it has run its course, it expired a few years ago with FIFA09: FIFA11 and PES11 are further evidence of the obvious.

Either way, there will always be newbies who will buy the game, so economically, Konami has no reason for making any real improvements; Konami can re-released the same old ping pong game for the next 5 years.... and the same amount of people will buy it, it will sell more or less the same amount of copies.

I am actually completely indifferent at this point, I don't see myself playing a Football Sim in the next 3 years.

 

[zeus0407]

They -Konami, EA Sports- can and should replace the old ping pong formula, it has run its course, it expired a few years ago with FIFA09: FIFA11 and PES11 are further evidence of the obvious.

Either way, there will always be newbies who will buy the game, so economically, Konami has no reason for making any real improvements; Konami can re-released the same old ping pong game for the next 5 years.... and the same amount of people will buy it, it will sell more or less the same amount of copies.

true, they are all about money, they dont give crap of fans at all, well mostly of older fans who play this game for a long time. one more thing is, they get more and more licenses for clubs with every new game version, and truth is they can buy all licenses with money they got from game, but again they dont do it just becouse newbies who start to play this game.

i just hope that some company will decide to create new football simulation that is more smarter so then FIFA and PES will needed to be completely created from start

 

[stajaznam]

For some time I'm looking for a good site wich discuss about AI problems and feels very wrong and cheated about it. There are interesting thoughts here that match one of the biggest problems in PES from PES6. And I'm very suprised that no one here is mentioning that AI cheating that started to be obvious in PES6 is the only thing that's really evolved in Pro „evolution“ soccer series (the gameplay is the most valuable part of a football game, the gameplay measured in it's longitivity). Yes, I'm very disappointed because I'm 30 years old geek that played PES from PES 3 every single year and the thing that I noticed is that playability (measuring in months after you buy the game) is just droping (one of the best things that I read about PES and it's playability, a long time ago, was that it's playable unitl the next game in the series. You can't say that for PES from PES 2008).
Let's say that AI cheating (although I don't call it cheating, I call it „making the player feel retarded“) should be there, because of the League structure and making the game more interesting in fight for any title in any league. BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE SOOO OBVIUS. It should not make you (player) feel retared, incapable, not in the control (and this years title for the PES was „total freedom“ – yeah right, only in exibition mode, not in the ML), stupid, and all in one – it makes you very frustraded.
Example – take your ML team, when you have allready played the frustrating match in ML, and play the same game in the exibition match between the same opponent – there is no AI cheating. The game is remarkable. AI cheating only works in any Lague, Cup mode.Why? Because it needs to make the League, Cup, more interesting, more difficult. But it doesn't make AI more smarter or better, it makes you (player) more incapable to do what you know that you can do. It isn't just about defence, and that your players are letting AI players to do what ever they want to do, is also about the passing system and scoring a goals.
Example – I'm leading a game, there is pressure from AI to score a goal, and I'm trying to kick the ball out of my 16m and I hit the power bar to the end and do you know where the ball ends? Just 10m from my player into the feet of AI player who ofcourse – scores a goal! And next time, same player, same situation, but it is the game that I need to win, and ball ends behind the computers goal. So it's about 90m flight. Is this realistic? Is this the game that you need to feel satisfied about? And this happens all the time, most of the ML that I'm playing. And I'm allready playing third season of ML.
It's frustrating that Henry, that I bought, is loosing ball so easily (in the games that I need to play draw or loose) in the attack, but as soon as he gets in my field of play, among my defenders, he is better in defence then they are. It's frustrating that you can hit power bar as well as you have learn it, and want that your ball ends in the legs of player of your intention, but in the game that you have to loose or draw, you just can't do it. No matter how good you are (like a player) and how your player (in the game) is good. You just can't. AI doesn't allow it. And that feels frustrating. It feels like game is playing with itself and you are there just to watch, and break your joystick or keyboard or monitor or window.
First time that you recognize this system, that the game is decided even before it's start, you just loose the beautifull side of a football game. Anything that you change in a way of tactics it doesn't work until AI does what it has planed.
Example – in a games that you need to loose or draw, you can score a goal, although is very difficult and frustrating, and you will concide a goal in the next 5-6 minutes of a game time!!! Every single time. Just pay attention. And I don't need to mention that it will be a stupid, non-realistic, frustrating goal, no matter how good you play defence and how hard you try.
The ML in the 2011 is just not playable with this system of AI „making the player feel retarded“!!!!
And the playability of PES 2011 has droped to month and a half. For me...It's allready linear, plastic, not intersting, not atmospheric.
When real football match begins you don't know who will win it. You can guess. And it has a element of suprise. The match in ML in PES 2011 doesn't have it. You allready know how it will end. You just have to see it and understand it. You don't even need to play it.
And that is apsurdity of PES 2011. It's a game. You play it, not watch it!!!!!

P.S. sorry for my mistakes in writting, I'm not from English-speaking area...

 

[Tech_Skill]

Scripting in this game continues, its unbelievable, the game deffo decides you are not going to win, at 1-1 with athletico, had an open goal with jeffren completely free, plenty of time, steadied myself, go for the tap in, he hits it well well wide and onto the post.....


Open goal.


Simple Tap of the shoot button


Aiming for middle of goal.

For some reason the ball goes flying far left onto the post......

SCRIPTING AT ITS FINEST

So i score with about 3 mins remaining............guess what

Even with Defensive Line set to 0 and Max defense.............

Get caught on the counter (even tho max defense has been set lmao) borriello does a pass which bends twice in 2 directions, aguero scores.


SICKENING........

Their 1st goal was hilarious, 1-0 and all of sudden they have a set piece and pique moves into midfield for no reason..... unbelievable, Mashcerano is cb and guess what just as forlan is running in on goal, he suddenly runs away from Forlan. QUALITY GAME, just like real life.


The worst thing was, I knew it was coming, game is TOTALLY scripted..... I knew right away I wasnt gonna win it.


Hilarious, just cannot take this game seriously at all.....


One more for you, 2-2 with real madrid in the copa del rey, last kick of the game, they cross it to ronaldo, guess what, he fires the perfect shot from the edge of the box which miraculously just avoids the defender standing right infront of him and bends in the top corner, the kind of goal you couldn't do in 50 attempts let alone 1.............A JOKE.

Can't believe no one else is getting this garbage.....Its hilarious, Master league is becoming pointless now, its down the CPU if I win or lose, im just a passenger, still top of the league, but its totally pointless to be honest as its all pre decided and my input means fuck all anyways.

Oh, Messi nearly always gets injured before every big game and there is nearly always an international before a big game also, so your players are nice and tired, pathetic, anytime a real madrid, althletico or Barca games comes up, there seems to be an international just b4.

Messi has been injured on 5 separate occasions already, missing games against, INTER, REAL MADRID, ATHLETICO lmao, game is a joke, he miraculously seems to get injured every time an important game comes up, once he didnt even fucking play a game, CPU still decided he picked up an injury in training............. not one other 1st team player has been injured once yet.

 

[Sminky]

Scripting in this game continues, its unbelievable, the game deffo decides you are not going to win, at 1-1 with athletico, had an open goal with jeffren, steadies myself, go for the tap in, he hits it well well wide and onto the post.....


Open goal.


Simple Tap of the shoot button


Aiming for middle of goal.


So i score with about 3 mins remaining............guess what

Even with Defensive Line set to 0 and Max defense.............

Get caught on the counter borrellio does a pass which bends twice in 2 directions, aguero scores.


SICKENING........


The worst thing was, I knew it was coming, game is TOTALLY scripted im sorry.

Hilarious, just cannot take this game seriously at all.

I feel your pain bruv, been there so many times! I'm keeping my fingers crossed PES2012 sorts that out.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I feel your pain bruv, been there so many times! I'm keeping my fingers crossed PES2012 sorts that out.

Im just so angry at myself for playing this game, LMAO, It needs the bin really badly, still im expecting it now, Iv'e accepted that skill means little in this game on offline, CPU pre decides what it going to happen, will see if I can find another game to invest time in rather than this. Ah well..........

 

[Sminky]

Im just so angry at myself for playing this game, LMAO, It needs the bin really badly, still im expecting it now, Iv'e accepted that skill means little in this game on offline, CPU pre decides what it going to happen, will see if I can find another game to invest time in rather than this. Ah well..........

I kept going back to it despite being stitched up constantly by the AI. There's a newbie on another thread who's got the brass balls to say that its not the AI but because I can't play the game! 11 years of PES/ISS, think like you I know how to play the game!

EDIT: Pes 2011 worst game in years (thread) - check it out, will make your blood boil!

 

[Tech_Skill]

I kept going back to it despite being stitched up constantly by the AI.

The game treats you like a fucking crack whore, it pimps slaps you in the chops Ike turner style and knows your gonna come running back the next day begging for another chance.

 

[Sminky]

The game treats you like a fucking crack whore, it pimps slaps you in the chops Ike turner style and knows your gonna come running back the next day begging for another chance.

Was the same with PES2010, I'd play about 10 games straight on the ML and would be pulling my hair out at the blatant AI cheating. Yet given a couple of days I'd convince myself to give it another go and repeat the whole process all over again! Argh!!

 

[muzza798]

I think I'm going to get fifa when possible. Just sold pes for halo reach and it was fully worth it. I love pes. It has so many good points like master league, the champions league, player individuality and so on but there is no hiding from the fact it moves horribly. In 09 and 2010 I could bare it, we knew surely in 2011 they'd get it right just like WENB were saying but god only knows wtf they were talking about.

It moves disgustingly. Its pathetic, wrong, gamebreaking, unrealistic. Its a disgrace that after 20 years we have only come this far. The way the ball bounces off players is so unbearable to watch and when my mates play it they just rip into me about the ball bouncing around off concrete blocks and I can't argue.

The running animations. My god the running animations. I have endlessly defended this game thinking "I don't mind, the master league and shooting are quality". Well you know what enough is a fucking nough. This game, these producers even need to pull their fucking asian fingurs out their god damn arses. How the fuck they sit there and expect me to just live with what they give us is beyond me. Players hunched over like they're about to throw up. Wtf is that? WHAT-THE-FUCK-IS-THAT! These are some of the best prgrammers in the world and this is the best they can do? God help them. Same goes for running animations.

Fifa for all its shitfest of an offline exeriance still has a high quality animation system. There's hundred of tackle animations, plenty of goal variety (yes folks I said fifa has goal variety, deal with it), they have the ability to challenge for headers etc etc. Fifa has an online experience that should be held in high regard. Its lag free and has absolutely no slow down 95%of the time. Lounge mode with my mates is quality because it all comes down to gameplay. Pes is good against AI as there is variety but I play football games with my mates and pes for this is utterly shiterly.

When I play against my friend offline all we enconter are problems. Player switching is rediculous, cluckyness takes us out of the moment, the ball bouncing off players, players not responding to any commands. I regard myself a master of pes and fifa is definitely funner.

I took pes round my mates and we played some 2v2. It resulted in clumps of players all over the place, players not even running due to a glitch, cluckyness in every physical engagement and may more gamebreaking issues. We then played 3 matches of fifa. We had some great matches. Me and my mate being trapped in our own half the whole game and scoring a last minute corner, the game speed was perfect, graphics were quality, matches played out in a fair and realistic manner. Fifa has its problems but its core gameplay is so various and fun with mates nothing can top it. Pes is trying to be fifa on the pitch and falling on its face. They need to go back to the ultra responsive ps2 versions.

Why the hell are konami so stubbon. Just rip up the gameplay engine and create a new one. Ok that was a general statement and possible unachievable but god damn it it needs to be done. I'll go without pes for 2 years if that's what it takes just get it done. I like pes but to me it has become an average. A game I can easily dispose of without hesitation. Fifa is also the same but atleast offers a sociable option to play with my friends in a fun way.