well, ive tried with this game I really have. I want to like it, but I just cant.
I'm sure their are many on this board that have played PES from the start, I discovered it from PES4 onwards, as the series entered it's prime, but seriously, how can you guys get into this game?
this years instalment has not even had me frustrated, as it simply doesn't excite me in any way whatsoever. im sure it's all been said but this is the rage thread and it feels good to type this.
The game just does not flow at all, everytime I go to play this and try to stick with it, im bored before half time, cos it's practically impossible to build momentum, players rarely feel like they have the ball under control, and the A.I is terrible.
This last point is my biggest gripe, this game is utterly soulless with the opposing team, even on the highest difficulty, looking very ineffective indeed until say the 71st minute when they play one sublime ball over your defence leaving their forward to shoot at your keeper who's superior shot stopping skills means he palms it into the top of the net.
Of course that particular example could be down to players abilities if it didn't happen every other game with many different teams.
There are many other issues I have with this game (refereeing, shooting engine) but I cant be asked moan about every detail.
I think a big reason why im so mad is because ive recently started to play PES5 again, which is just a beautiful game, in which they nailed pretty much everything, it feels like football while still being fun to play and offers much more freedom than 2011 despite the old passing system, and it's a very challenging game even now, unlike 2011.
Seabass or whoever the big fish is at Konami needs to go back and play PES5 like I have, and work out what made their game so fun to play back then, the reason PES was the king of footy games, the simplicity of the game engine - they need to bring that back again for me to personally enjoy this series, it's just got terrible since 3rd gen, I thought they couldn't do worse than 2010 but 2011 is even less playable for me.
Of course I know that wont happen, i'm fairly certain the days of buying a new PES every year are over for me, so ill be sticking with PES5 (never liked or enjoyed FIFA personally), still the best footy game ever made.
Fully agree about PES11, my frustration is with the fact I can't genuinely enjoy the game, it is a half finished product and it plays like a half finished product.
PES11, visually looks fairly realistic, but the most important thing is missing, that is, the source of entertainment or in other words the thing that makes football flow the way it flows.
A football sim with bad graphics could easily flow more realistically than PES11, it's not just about graphics and motion capture animations, but also, and more importantly, about the source that stimulates or triggers the reactions without the ball.
PES11 is a video game that is fairly realistic in terms of graphics and animations, but in terms of substance, it has little to nothing in common with real football.
But then again, this has always been the case, with PES5, PES6, every one of them; what we have with PES11 is a bad mix between 360-axis passing and 8-axis everything, the game is still the same game at its core, and it does not plays well when you mix such an outdated formula with 360-axis passing.
PES: the formula is simple, direct the left analogue stick without the assistance of any other button, and this will be enough to cover spaces of over 30 feet of distance; thus, it is impossible to affect movement without also affecting your position on the pitch, it is impossible to affect movement without also affecting the direction that the player is looking at.
PES5: you cannot affect movement without also affecting your position on the pitch, because the left analogue stick is restricted by hardware restrictions or laziness.
PES11: you cannot affect movement without also affecting your position on the pitch, because the left analogue stick is restricted by stupidity and arrogance and laziness.
PES: the formula is simple, it revolves around permanent movement without the ball and with the ball and of the ball, permanently moving from one space into another space; it is impossible to affect the direction of movement inside a determined space of 5 feet of distance.
By maximizing the directions in which you can move from one space to another space, you are just creating an illusion of freedom: the improvement is the new freedom that the game is supposed to offer.
But the fact is, that the source which determines the movement without the ball in PES5 is the same button that determines the movement without the ball in PES11; in terms of movement with the ball, it has always been and still is impossible to move with the ball inside a circle or square of precisely 5 feet of distance.
Adding more directions to a flawed formula, adding more animations to a flawed formula, will not fix the FACT that it is impossible to move inside a determined space of precisely 5 feet of distance.
You cannot put a "patch" on this flaw, you can only fix it, and you can only fix it by making it possible to move inside a determined space without affecting your position on the pitch; otherwise, you are simply replacing one flaw with another flaw, and so on.
Like you mentioned in another post, PES11 is very dumbed down, anyone can be great at PES now because the game basically plays itself.
My way of phrasing it is, that PES11 is a bad mix between arcade and simulation, and plays like a half finished video game which needs to be "balanced" by flaws that are out of your control.
As for PES5, I think PES5 was good for the time, but for current gen standards is very easy and simplistic; in my opinion, the football genre has failed to move on after PES5 and PES6.
I think a lot of people will find PES5 or PES6 more enjoyable than PES11, because PES5 and PES6 are finished products.
