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[PS3] Next-Gen Gameplay Evolution OF - All Players Edited, All Leagues & Strips 30-12

Chimps

Registered User
I'm not sure your interpretation of dribble speed is correct, over on the PES Stats Database it's described as "How quickly a player can move with the ball at his feet". There's a number of threads, here's one...

http://z4.invisionfree.com/PES_Player_Database/index.php?showtopic=1829

However the dribble speed stat on it's own doesn't determine how fast a player can move/run with the ball, but it works inconjuction with top speed.

The Dribble speed stat value is like a percentage of the top speed stat, therefore a player with a high top speed of 95 and a dribble speed of 80means the player can run with the ball at 80% of the top speed stat.

Still with me......

This could be worked out as a value, 80% (dribble speed) of 95 Top speed is 76.

e.g

Player A has a Top speed of 95 and Dribble speed of 80 = 76

Player B has a top speed of 90 and a Dribble speed of 90 = 81

Player B will be faster running with the ball than Player A.


Speed of turning with the ball and how many touches a player takes is mainly down to dribble accuracy as well as agility and technique.

I am with you and understand what your saying, but I know that dropping the dribble speed of players made them turn slower, but didnt seem to effect their speed when running straight.

Did you try the option file yet?
 

BYF

Registered User
I am with you and understand what your saying, but I know that dropping the dribble speed of players made them turn slower, but didnt seem to effect their speed when running straight.

Did you try the option file yet?

Yes I have tried it, I just copied your edit data file over my existing one which was Von's 1.6 and left the kits/faces as 1.6. Seems to work fine.

I definetly noticed a change in the gameplay for the better, seems more realistic and the controls are far more responsive and the overall gameplay far less clunky and scripted and a lot less annoying.

My normal ways of scoring which I guess exploit some of the weakenesss of the game engine are alot more uneffective.

My own team players have much better defensive position now, probably due to the tweaked teamworks stats, as do the CPU players. I also get closed down quicker, plus it's easier to tackle unstoppable CPU controlled players but also eaisier to be tackled as well.

Also due to the tweaked aggression stat its now possible to get on the end of a cross at the near post with a striker.

I'm going to stick with your file for now because it improves the gameplay and helps cover up some of the known bugs and issues with the original stats and game engine.
 

CryingGallas

Registered User
Thanks,

Which teams have you been using and playing against?

I've been playing with all the teams really in exhibition mode! It's very good. I was Man Utd and played against Stoke away, in Master League and just about beat them 1-0 in the last few minutes. Super-Sick game!

You know one thing that I have noticed since buying the game is that, the responsiveness of players to loose balls and sh*t is that they are extremely slow at it which frustrates the hell out of me, I think maybe one thing that needs to be done is, up the 'Response' stat by 10 for all the players, but obviously the ones that have theirs at over 90 may just need a small tweak or so, and the goalkeepers obviously can be left untouched.

I say this because I see through balls going through and the defenders can easily sweep up but they don't, your OF has improved this 1,000,000,000 times so great job, but I think changing the 'Response' stat may just improve it even more.

Looking forward to it bro!
 

RAMAXWY

Registered User
i played a few games with your file yesterday and the defense from your teams is great and it makes it very hard to score but on the other hand they don't form a great threat themselves when they are coming forward so if you could just do something about that this would be a fantastic option file.
i like how you have to work to break the defense down that's fantastic but teams like for example INTER,MANU, CHELSEA shouldn't only be great defensively but also on the attacking side.
so please don't get me wrong if you are able to do this i would be more than satisfied because the defense is already there but make the attack just as great ok.
 

darkoj2007

Registered User
Hey Chimps Everything is Superb in your OF but one friendly advice, the game will be much more real if the speed of players is slower.every game is atomic football,like man utd play vs bolton and lose 1:0 in the 60th min. and try to score 2 goals.do you understand me what i want to say?i thing if the speed of players is -10 will be the REAL FOOTBALL GAME like on tv!sorry for my bad english! BW best OF
 

Chimps

Registered User
I've been playing with all the teams really in exhibition mode! It's very good. I was Man Utd and played against Stoke away, in Master League and just about beat them 1-0 in the last few minutes. Super-Sick game!

You know one thing that I have noticed since buying the game is that, the responsiveness of players to loose balls and sh*t is that they are extremely slow at it which frustrates the hell out of me, I think maybe one thing that needs to be done is, up the 'Response' stat by 10 for all the players, but obviously the ones that have theirs at over 90 may just need a small tweak or so, and the goalkeepers obviously can be left untouched.

I say this because I see through balls going through and the defenders can easily sweep up but they don't, your OF has improved this 1,000,000,000 times so great job, but I think changing the 'Response' stat may just improve it even more.

Looking forward to it bro!

Cheers.

A big change like the Response stat by 10 would need a lot of work, it may fix what your seeing, but would make the game a lot faster and probably easier, so I would have to look find ways to compensate for this by slowing the game and further increasing aggression and then a lot of testing.
 

Chimps

Registered User
i played a few games with your file yesterday and the defense from your teams is great and it makes it very hard to score but on the other hand they don't form a great threat themselves when they are coming forward so if you could just do something about that this would be a fantastic option file.
i like how you have to work to break the defense down that's fantastic but teams like for example INTER,MANU, CHELSEA shouldn't only be great defensively but also on the attacking side.
so please don't get me wrong if you are able to do this i would be more than satisfied because the defense is already there but make the attack just as great ok.

Its difficult as making teams attack you better, makes them easier to use yourself. If I increase the stats that would make these teams attack better, if you selected them to use against another team, the game would seem easier again.
 

Chimps

Registered User
Hey Chimps Everything is Superb in your OF but one friendly advice, the game will be much more real if the speed of players is slower.every game is atomic football,like man utd play vs bolton and lose 1:0 in the 60th min. and try to score 2 goals.do you understand me what i want to say?i thing if the speed of players is -10 will be the REAL FOOTBALL GAME like on tv!sorry for my bad english! BW best OF

I think the speed of the game is very difficult to get right as different people like a different speed of game.

The game used to have an option for editing the speed, like in FIFA, but this was removed. If I reduced the speed, I think just as many people would think it was too slow.

Oddly, the game speed, as with the original konami game, depends on what stadium you use for some reason. The San Siro, seems to be the fastest.
 

LFCPower

Registered User
Chimps, you triple post, you get a yellow card.

Anyways about your file, Are you going to be creating more teams, It makes the game better when theres more teams, and you seem to be able to edit people stats very well so it would be great if you could make more teams.

cheers mate
 

CryingGallas

Registered User
Hey Chimps Everything is Superb in your OF but one friendly advice, the game will be much more real if the speed of players is slower.every game is atomic football,like man utd play vs bolton and lose 1:0 in the 60th min. and try to score 2 goals.do you understand me what i want to say?i thing if the speed of players is -10 will be the REAL FOOTBALL GAME like on tv!sorry for my bad english! BW best OF

No Way man!! I feel the speed is the one of the things that makes it a lot better!
 

CryingGallas

Registered User
Chimps, you triple post, you get a yellow card.

Anyways about your file, Are you going to be creating more teams, It makes the game better when theres more teams, and you seem to be able to edit people stats very well so it would be great if you could make more teams.

cheers mate

What's this triple post business?
 

darkoj2007

Registered User
Hey don`t get me wrong.I just wonder to make an imrovement of this OF becouse It`s great!I think if the speed of players is smaller you can slowly create actions from back and middle and if you wanna attack just set attacking manually in formation settings or directly with L2.But I didn`t know that different stadiums have different game speeds.I only think to give friendly advice to chimps,becouse with faster gameplay the game looks more arcade and with slower gameplay game looks like simulation. OFF TOPIC: cheers from Darko from Skopje, Macedonia BW here in Macedonia PES is the game that every gamer have in his collection if he play sport games.It`s CLASSIC
 

Chimps

Registered User
Chimps, you triple post, you get a yellow card.

Anyways about your file, Are you going to be creating more teams, It makes the game better when theres more teams, and you seem to be able to edit people stats very well so it would be great if you could make more teams.

cheers mate

I could do, but have no idea how to make strips.

I would probably need to pinch strips from other option files or get someone to give me a hand.
 

retrofooze

Registered User
Good file, a few things i noticed:

Some of the players who in real life are very good (and fast) but slow at moving are now the other way around, or just slow at moving and slow at passing, it kind of makes them a bit void.

Freekick takers, most of them are completely underrated. I'm not saying make everyone who's good at free kicks as good as someone like Del piero, but a lot of players who are good at them have free kick taking in the 70s when it should be high 80s or even low 90s. Also so few players have anything in regard to Curve.

Defenders average stats are waaay lower than attacking players. This would probably be a fairly big change. I dont know if this is done delibrately but its what makes running past defenders in PES so easily. There are only a handful of defenders who are good at moving and passing, etc. Most of them dont even have high defence compared to the attack of attacking players.
On a sidenote, pretty much any defender who is reknown for their shooting ability in real life wont have a good shot in the game, eg Belleti.

Most of these suggestions are in PES by default but the file is probably the best around.


Any chance of adding new clubs? No harm in "borrowing" stuff from other option files. I'd love for some classic clubs teams and be willing to help out.


edit: few more things on defenders... lower teams defenders are generally completely abysmal and dont even have any special abilities at all. The most anything thing, though, can be their passing ability being in the 60s, meaning building an attack from the defence via GK>DF>MF can often fail due to such a completely shite pass from the defender going reallly slow.
 

Chimps

Registered User
Good file, a few things i noticed:

Some of the players who in real life are very good (and fast) but slow at moving are now the other way around, or just slow at moving and slow at passing, it kind of makes them a bit void.

Freekick takers, most of them are completely underrated. I'm not saying make everyone who's good at free kicks as good as someone like Del piero, but a lot of players who are good at them have free kick taking in the 70s when it should be high 80s or even low 90s. Also so few players have anything in regard to Curve.

Defenders average stats are waaay lower than attacking players. This would probably be a fairly big change. I dont know if this is done delibrately but its what makes running past defenders in PES so easily. There are only a handful of defenders who are good at moving and passing, etc. Most of them dont even have high defence compared to the attack of attacking players.
On a sidenote, pretty much any defender who is reknown for their shooting ability in real life wont have a good shot in the game, eg Belleti.

Most of these suggestions are in PES by default but the file is probably the best around.


Any chance of adding new clubs? No harm in "borrowing" stuff from other option files. I'd love for some classic clubs teams and be willing to help out.


edit: few more things on defenders... lower teams defenders are generally completely abysmal and dont even have any special abilities at all. The most anything thing, though, can be their passing ability being in the 60s, meaning building an attack from the defence via GK>DF>MF can often fail due to such a completely shite pass from the defender going reallly slow.

I am not sure what you meen about players being slow at moving and passing? Almost all the changes that were made, were made to make players move and pass better, with their stats in these increased. There was only a couple of teams who had their short passing reduced very slightly as they became too easy to use if they were too quick.

I improved the movement of defenders, but left their passing the same, perhaps this should have been improved, but I wanted the gap between good players to remain and if I started increasing all stats, players would start to all play the same.

Like you say, I think most of these things are in PES by default.

Are you using Top Player as your level as I cannot remember seeing many defenders let players go past them easily. I raised the stats that make them challange and they now make a lot more effort to stop players.

The stuff about shots and defenders is probably right, but to correct it, you would need a lot of knowledge about defenders shooting and you would rarely see the difference after making the change.

I think a lot of people have made good suggestions, but making the changes manually and then testing them, would possibly take months.
 

CryingGallas

Registered User
What's this triple post business? I gotta keep myself from getting into trouble!!!

I'm going to go sulk in the corner now!
 
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BYF

Registered User
I'm still enjoying my new improved PES experience thanks to this option file.

Another thing I've noticed is that it's a lot harder now to barge defenders out the way. I've been playing the Master League for a while now and have had the Croatian player Petric for a few seasons.

Before the option file, I could hold up the ball turn and barge past most defenders then unleash his hammer of a left foot, it almost felt like cheating and rather scripted/robotic.

Now, since using the option file, this tactic just doesn't work, most times Petric is the one getting barged around by defenders, now I have to find a different way of playing with him and it's far more realistic.

One thing I have noticed is that quick attacking players now have a harder time running away from defenders, and in most cases get caught. However I think this is more realistic as very few attackers can run away from a decent defender whilst dribbling the ball.
 

LFCPower

Registered User
What's this triple post business? I gotta keep myself from getting into trouble!!!

I'm going to go sulk in the corner now!

Lol, if you double post one after anther its classed as getting your posts up so its a yellow card, if you triple post is a yellow card.

Just the rules of the sight
 
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