Tech__Skill
Banned
Good Afternoon PES Gaming boys,
I had to get on here to voice my disgust at some of the downright rubbish and bullshit being spewed about the whole FIFA vs PES craptalk that is going on at present. Obviously opinions are like are like assholes, pretty much everyone has one, but fuck me, there is some A grade bullshit being spoken out there, and it just wouldn't be the same if I didnt stir the shitpot at least one more time for you all.
A few years ago when FIFA 09 came out EA were in a position when they really had a chance to nail the PES coffin once and for all, im serious, they had PES on the fucking ropes badly and the fact that there is even a PES vs FIFA year battle tells you right away that EA have fucked up, they have fucked up BIG TIME. Very simply, EA Had the licenses, the animations, the graphics (not as good as pes's but still good) the broadcast authenticity, the game modes, competent online, the big money and this year, they still have that, but here is what they dont have.
DEPTH.
That 5 letter word you see above is the word that is gonna kill FIFA and why PES is probably gonna take over, possibly as soon as next year. EA sports are not interested in DEPTH, EA sports are interested in GIMMICKS.
Earlier in the year (I can find the post) I said that EA sports would make some attempt at bringing individuality into the game, but I wasnt sure if it would live up tp the hype promised by EA. Enter "Personality +" this is EA talk for "after about 15 years of making football game, the player attributes might actually mean something". Why cant the fuckers just say "look there is going to be increase individuality this year and heres how", why do they have to give everything minor thing a fucking name.
I'm about to go and do a shit as i write this maybe I should start calling it "Colon output plus" or "External Rectal output pro" its just straight ridiculous. "Pro Passing" is EA talk for "every now and again the game makes you misplace and pass and make the player take a 1st touch before doing some incredibly unrealistic pass".
But I tell you what, If these features ACTUALLY fucking worked i'd be alot happier. Lets look at Personality +
PERSONALITY +
Basically, this is how much personality fifa 11 has. I put Amauri in goal, he was doing world class point blank saves, this despite ea making a big fuss over keeper personality.
I was playmaking with Goalkeepers and defenders in midfield, and no matter what the fuck EA say, there is little difference between good defenders and top midfielders in this game. I had cheillini on the wing, the boy had pass completion stats of 11/12 every fucking time. I had Bonucci (CB) as a DM and i was spraying it around like Xavi.
YES, sometimes you can tell there is a small difference between certain players, when you are chelsea, Alex is not as good a passer as Anelka, but the differences between players are not that big, Anelka maybe a better passer than alex, but you can still put alex in anelka's position and make some crazy passes. The point here is, once again, once you discount physical attributes, there is little differences between players.
PRO PASSING
Basically, this means if you play Buffon in AMF, he will take a 1st touch before doing a 180 degree 15 yard throughball. After 30 attempts, he will misplace a pass. 'Shit on toast' is the phrase that comes to mind about this "innovation".
The other 'new' shit in this game I cannot even be assed to talk about at the risk of puking. The reason for that is cos the SAME SHIT THAT WAS FUCKED UP IN FIFA 09 IS STILL FUCKED UP NOW.
The tackling is SHIT PERSONIFIED, this is how you tackle in fifa 11, no timing needed, just hold down the tackle button and iniesta will go on a crazed rampage tramping players down like its the NFL. Seriously, fifa 11, is actually like the NFL in alot of ways, its a bunch of zombies running into each other over and over.
There is no TIMING of the tackle, slide tackles are SHIT. EA tried to say "this year player have different tackling abilities" REALLY??? I had messi at CB and he was like Baresi in there. This is why games of fifa (especially online) are pressure trash, no timing of the tackle needed so everyone runs after each other with endless stamina knocking each other flying off the ball, SIM MY FUCKING ASS.
The dribbling......................The shit gives me the creeps, im serious. No jokes, today I had people tell me that you can do Messi like dribbles in fifa 11, in fifa 11 you can dribbling like a spastic, thats about it. The CPU WILL NOT LET YOU GET PAST!!!!! UNLESS YOU USE THE TRICK STICK. I saw some videos of people using Messi in fifa and it was the most ridiculous shit ive ever seen, and people thought this was realistic. Basically, these fuckers had messi doing 360 roulettes to get past defenders and they were real proud about it as if messi does that shit in real life. FIFA is fundamentally unbalanced when it comes to dribbling, the CPU can dribble past you for jokes, you cant dribble past them. What the fuck kind of football game requires you to use tricks to get past a player.
This is one area PES2011 KILLS FIFA11, you can use Messi's superior close control and balance to get past defenders without tricks.
One other thing for now, In fifa, EVERY FUCKING PLAYER HAS THE SAME 1ST TOUCH! EVERYONE, EVEN THE 3RD CHOICE GOALKEEPER HAS THE SAME 1ST TOUCH AS MESSI!
Look.....................................
Ive had enough of this shit, i told myself this is gonna be the last year i play some gay shit where every player is the same, the game is bugged up, the tactics are shit or dont work, defensive lines are through the fucking roof so every game has about 70 1 on 1's. So I played the pes 2011 demo.
PES IS A ROBOTIC PIECE OF SHIT, STILL TO THIS DAY. BUT....................
It's got REAL potential...infact, I prefer it to fifa 11 at the moment.
Its less robotic than last year and I like the passing, its sort of manual but not quite because certain players are better passers than others.
You can feel the difference between players, i just had pedro and villa on left wing, and pedro was SHIT man, seriously, i gotta sort him out, and thats the beauty of PES, cos you dont think like that in fifa, in fifa, i would just sub Pedro with victor valdes, thats how SHIT that game can be at times.
In PES, there is this thing called BALANCE. If your about to take a shot, and i jossle you at the right time, your shot might go flying over the bar, because you had fuck all balance. In fifa this concept doesnt exist, if you had a 200 ton gorilla like drogba jossiling iniesta, iniesta would still do a perfect pass or shot, the jossling ANIMATION is there in fifa, the EFFECTS are not.
In PES if If I tell the defensive line to stay back, they stay back, i dont see em on the fucking halfway line setting the CPU up for another one on one.
In PES, if im 1-0 down with Barca Pique comes up from the back just like in real life to join the attack because im guessing its part of his personality defined by the those fucking pokemon card thingys. Still thats very realistic. In fact PES is very good for replicating the way teams play, in PES you cant play barcelona style football every minute, but you can have your team mimic barca very well, with the defensive lines, pressing, and player movement (although aspects of this need improving)
The REAL pro passing is in PES, in that game passes get misplaced alot more.
Also tackling is better than in fifa demo, when i tried to pressure jossle a player in pes, he went down under the pressure and he got a free kick, cos i unblanced him. So tackles need to be timed in pes.
You have to pay special attention to the TOP PLAYERS, in pes, robben's dribble technique is better than the others, so you cant always steam into him, cos he will use close control and raw technique to turn away or beat you, same as with Messi, Xavi ETC. In Pes you can shield the ball with smaller players against bigger players by doing little sharps turns to around the player to keep the ball away from the them.
The Dribbling is CRAZY, you can turn defenders INSIDE OUT, literally, with the right player, NO TRICKS NEEDED.
Lots of things in PES2011 need changing
The defending in PES is very dodgy and really needs fixing up (CPU through balls are too good and defenders stand still and let passes go by them, that is SHIT)
Player movement is shit, but maybe if I fuck around with the pokemon cards I can get players to make more runs.
And other stuff I cant be assed to go into.
But the point is, the game is actually quite technical, and it doesnt really feel pick up and play to me.
Pes is actually starting to look like the game it once was, the football fans game, where individual players and tactics win games and i really respect that. I think though PES has flaws, it might be going in the right directions, in fact once they make a game that moves as fluidly as fifa, fifa is in REAL TROUBLE.
The problem with this fifa/pes community is FEEDBACK. Some people know how to test a game and know what needs changing, some are good at playing a game, but are shit at feedback and some like Adam from WENB are fucking shit at EVERYTHING. Seriously Whatever that guy touches turns to shit, he ran off to kiss fifa's ass when he joined and started ruining the fifa soccer blog website (basically he sold out) by spreading his usual misinformation and bullshit. Seriously, the people who Konami and EA sports actually listen to are FUCKING CLUELESS.
There is a guy on this forum called 'amateur' the guy is a fucking loon, but why the fuck isnt he on a fucking plane in japan talking to Konami? he fucking knows how to improve football games, same with Shaun7 even, but these guys dont get to go, instead these suck ass cunt pieces go...... and they talk the talk about how they are gonna tell Konami/EA whats up, and then when they get there they are kissing asses, they are Ho's. These bitches need wiping off the face of the earth, im talking about Adam Neaves, Adam from wenb and the rest of the bitches down there, all of them, if Konami fucked those guys off, and started listening to proper feedback, they game would improve at a meteoric rate.
This is part of the reason EA fucked up, they dont actually listen to feedback, they invite a bunch of bum bandits to guildford to play the game and the game ends up like shit yet again, so either the feedback is crap or someone aint listening, either way i think its both.
Basically shut down ALL the other forums and just have Evo Web and Pesgaming, thats where its at, the rest are trash.
Fifa 11 demo is not impressive to me, 3 years on and im seeing the SAME OLD SHIT and personally Im sick of it. I want a game thats gonna last more than 3 fucking weeks and EA Sports arent interested in that, they are interested in making a game for the 5 year olds who wanna do kick ups in the middle of a game and score a 30 yard volley with titus bramble.
Enough is Enough.
FIFA and PES are two different philosophies on football, but this time around, Im gonna have to give pes a little credit for making a game which doesnt insult my intelligence and for making a game which makes me think about which players im using, which teams im using, which tactics im using and why. This is the basis of game with some durability. So yea, credit to konami, they have a way to go yet, but if they can build on this, there is something potentially very good coming along soon.
Peace to all the usuals on pesgaming and HAMMER the feedback forum seriously, its the only way they will sort the game out.
I had to get on here to voice my disgust at some of the downright rubbish and bullshit being spewed about the whole FIFA vs PES craptalk that is going on at present. Obviously opinions are like are like assholes, pretty much everyone has one, but fuck me, there is some A grade bullshit being spoken out there, and it just wouldn't be the same if I didnt stir the shitpot at least one more time for you all.
A few years ago when FIFA 09 came out EA were in a position when they really had a chance to nail the PES coffin once and for all, im serious, they had PES on the fucking ropes badly and the fact that there is even a PES vs FIFA year battle tells you right away that EA have fucked up, they have fucked up BIG TIME. Very simply, EA Had the licenses, the animations, the graphics (not as good as pes's but still good) the broadcast authenticity, the game modes, competent online, the big money and this year, they still have that, but here is what they dont have.
DEPTH.
That 5 letter word you see above is the word that is gonna kill FIFA and why PES is probably gonna take over, possibly as soon as next year. EA sports are not interested in DEPTH, EA sports are interested in GIMMICKS.
Earlier in the year (I can find the post) I said that EA sports would make some attempt at bringing individuality into the game, but I wasnt sure if it would live up tp the hype promised by EA. Enter "Personality +" this is EA talk for "after about 15 years of making football game, the player attributes might actually mean something". Why cant the fuckers just say "look there is going to be increase individuality this year and heres how", why do they have to give everything minor thing a fucking name.
I'm about to go and do a shit as i write this maybe I should start calling it "Colon output plus" or "External Rectal output pro" its just straight ridiculous. "Pro Passing" is EA talk for "every now and again the game makes you misplace and pass and make the player take a 1st touch before doing some incredibly unrealistic pass".
But I tell you what, If these features ACTUALLY fucking worked i'd be alot happier. Lets look at Personality +
PERSONALITY +
Basically, this is how much personality fifa 11 has. I put Amauri in goal, he was doing world class point blank saves, this despite ea making a big fuss over keeper personality.
I was playmaking with Goalkeepers and defenders in midfield, and no matter what the fuck EA say, there is little difference between good defenders and top midfielders in this game. I had cheillini on the wing, the boy had pass completion stats of 11/12 every fucking time. I had Bonucci (CB) as a DM and i was spraying it around like Xavi.
YES, sometimes you can tell there is a small difference between certain players, when you are chelsea, Alex is not as good a passer as Anelka, but the differences between players are not that big, Anelka maybe a better passer than alex, but you can still put alex in anelka's position and make some crazy passes. The point here is, once again, once you discount physical attributes, there is little differences between players.
PRO PASSING
Basically, this means if you play Buffon in AMF, he will take a 1st touch before doing a 180 degree 15 yard throughball. After 30 attempts, he will misplace a pass. 'Shit on toast' is the phrase that comes to mind about this "innovation".
The other 'new' shit in this game I cannot even be assed to talk about at the risk of puking. The reason for that is cos the SAME SHIT THAT WAS FUCKED UP IN FIFA 09 IS STILL FUCKED UP NOW.
The tackling is SHIT PERSONIFIED, this is how you tackle in fifa 11, no timing needed, just hold down the tackle button and iniesta will go on a crazed rampage tramping players down like its the NFL. Seriously, fifa 11, is actually like the NFL in alot of ways, its a bunch of zombies running into each other over and over.
There is no TIMING of the tackle, slide tackles are SHIT. EA tried to say "this year player have different tackling abilities" REALLY??? I had messi at CB and he was like Baresi in there. This is why games of fifa (especially online) are pressure trash, no timing of the tackle needed so everyone runs after each other with endless stamina knocking each other flying off the ball, SIM MY FUCKING ASS.
The dribbling......................The shit gives me the creeps, im serious. No jokes, today I had people tell me that you can do Messi like dribbles in fifa 11, in fifa 11 you can dribbling like a spastic, thats about it. The CPU WILL NOT LET YOU GET PAST!!!!! UNLESS YOU USE THE TRICK STICK. I saw some videos of people using Messi in fifa and it was the most ridiculous shit ive ever seen, and people thought this was realistic. Basically, these fuckers had messi doing 360 roulettes to get past defenders and they were real proud about it as if messi does that shit in real life. FIFA is fundamentally unbalanced when it comes to dribbling, the CPU can dribble past you for jokes, you cant dribble past them. What the fuck kind of football game requires you to use tricks to get past a player.
This is one area PES2011 KILLS FIFA11, you can use Messi's superior close control and balance to get past defenders without tricks.
One other thing for now, In fifa, EVERY FUCKING PLAYER HAS THE SAME 1ST TOUCH! EVERYONE, EVEN THE 3RD CHOICE GOALKEEPER HAS THE SAME 1ST TOUCH AS MESSI!
Look.....................................
Ive had enough of this shit, i told myself this is gonna be the last year i play some gay shit where every player is the same, the game is bugged up, the tactics are shit or dont work, defensive lines are through the fucking roof so every game has about 70 1 on 1's. So I played the pes 2011 demo.
PES IS A ROBOTIC PIECE OF SHIT, STILL TO THIS DAY. BUT....................
It's got REAL potential...infact, I prefer it to fifa 11 at the moment.
Its less robotic than last year and I like the passing, its sort of manual but not quite because certain players are better passers than others.
You can feel the difference between players, i just had pedro and villa on left wing, and pedro was SHIT man, seriously, i gotta sort him out, and thats the beauty of PES, cos you dont think like that in fifa, in fifa, i would just sub Pedro with victor valdes, thats how SHIT that game can be at times.
In PES, there is this thing called BALANCE. If your about to take a shot, and i jossle you at the right time, your shot might go flying over the bar, because you had fuck all balance. In fifa this concept doesnt exist, if you had a 200 ton gorilla like drogba jossiling iniesta, iniesta would still do a perfect pass or shot, the jossling ANIMATION is there in fifa, the EFFECTS are not.
In PES if If I tell the defensive line to stay back, they stay back, i dont see em on the fucking halfway line setting the CPU up for another one on one.
In PES, if im 1-0 down with Barca Pique comes up from the back just like in real life to join the attack because im guessing its part of his personality defined by the those fucking pokemon card thingys. Still thats very realistic. In fact PES is very good for replicating the way teams play, in PES you cant play barcelona style football every minute, but you can have your team mimic barca very well, with the defensive lines, pressing, and player movement (although aspects of this need improving)
The REAL pro passing is in PES, in that game passes get misplaced alot more.
Also tackling is better than in fifa demo, when i tried to pressure jossle a player in pes, he went down under the pressure and he got a free kick, cos i unblanced him. So tackles need to be timed in pes.
You have to pay special attention to the TOP PLAYERS, in pes, robben's dribble technique is better than the others, so you cant always steam into him, cos he will use close control and raw technique to turn away or beat you, same as with Messi, Xavi ETC. In Pes you can shield the ball with smaller players against bigger players by doing little sharps turns to around the player to keep the ball away from the them.
The Dribbling is CRAZY, you can turn defenders INSIDE OUT, literally, with the right player, NO TRICKS NEEDED.
Lots of things in PES2011 need changing
The defending in PES is very dodgy and really needs fixing up (CPU through balls are too good and defenders stand still and let passes go by them, that is SHIT)
Player movement is shit, but maybe if I fuck around with the pokemon cards I can get players to make more runs.
And other stuff I cant be assed to go into.
But the point is, the game is actually quite technical, and it doesnt really feel pick up and play to me.
Pes is actually starting to look like the game it once was, the football fans game, where individual players and tactics win games and i really respect that. I think though PES has flaws, it might be going in the right directions, in fact once they make a game that moves as fluidly as fifa, fifa is in REAL TROUBLE.
The problem with this fifa/pes community is FEEDBACK. Some people know how to test a game and know what needs changing, some are good at playing a game, but are shit at feedback and some like Adam from WENB are fucking shit at EVERYTHING. Seriously Whatever that guy touches turns to shit, he ran off to kiss fifa's ass when he joined and started ruining the fifa soccer blog website (basically he sold out) by spreading his usual misinformation and bullshit. Seriously, the people who Konami and EA sports actually listen to are FUCKING CLUELESS.
There is a guy on this forum called 'amateur' the guy is a fucking loon, but why the fuck isnt he on a fucking plane in japan talking to Konami? he fucking knows how to improve football games, same with Shaun7 even, but these guys dont get to go, instead these suck ass cunt pieces go...... and they talk the talk about how they are gonna tell Konami/EA whats up, and then when they get there they are kissing asses, they are Ho's. These bitches need wiping off the face of the earth, im talking about Adam Neaves, Adam from wenb and the rest of the bitches down there, all of them, if Konami fucked those guys off, and started listening to proper feedback, they game would improve at a meteoric rate.
This is part of the reason EA fucked up, they dont actually listen to feedback, they invite a bunch of bum bandits to guildford to play the game and the game ends up like shit yet again, so either the feedback is crap or someone aint listening, either way i think its both.
Basically shut down ALL the other forums and just have Evo Web and Pesgaming, thats where its at, the rest are trash.
Fifa 11 demo is not impressive to me, 3 years on and im seeing the SAME OLD SHIT and personally Im sick of it. I want a game thats gonna last more than 3 fucking weeks and EA Sports arent interested in that, they are interested in making a game for the 5 year olds who wanna do kick ups in the middle of a game and score a 30 yard volley with titus bramble.
Enough is Enough.
FIFA and PES are two different philosophies on football, but this time around, Im gonna have to give pes a little credit for making a game which doesnt insult my intelligence and for making a game which makes me think about which players im using, which teams im using, which tactics im using and why. This is the basis of game with some durability. So yea, credit to konami, they have a way to go yet, but if they can build on this, there is something potentially very good coming along soon.
Peace to all the usuals on pesgaming and HAMMER the feedback forum seriously, its the only way they will sort the game out.
