Right, Time For Some Real Talk on This Fifa/PES Buisness

[Amateur]

That's where the problem of the whole debate lies, Tech_Skill, the level of respect is not were it should be...

I do not think you are deluded, I think that like 99.9% of the people, you pay attention to the by-products as opposed to focusing on the reason for why these products exist; which coincidentally, means that I think you are kinda deluded, because you think that I am.

You think that I am deluded, and making no sense; I do not agree with that, and I think the level of respect is not were it should be.

Simply put: what we've got here is.... failure.... to communicate.
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To highlight the problem once again,

For me, the problem is not the lack of difficulty... I mean, difficulty is a problem, but it's not because the game is too easy.... it is because the game is not good enough, and has never been good enough, as far as I'm concerned.

For instance, the game could be easier to play.... but more substantial at its core; and the substance would make it more difficult, even though it is easier and more accessible to play.

When you see things like: the right analogue dribbling tricks, the L2 + left analogue dribbling tricks, the necessity of holding the R2 button just so that your player traps the ball, etc, etc; when you spend most of your time tapping or holding a button without ever actually utilizing your brain, etc, etc.

The buttons that I just mentioned, are stupid, and these overly-difficult buttons are just alternatives to cover an old flaw that they have not fixed.

The left analogue stick currently decides HOW you run with the ball, WHEN you run with the ball, and the DISTANCE COVERED with the ball.

Now, what would happen if one button, decided HOW you pass the ball, WHEN you pass the ball, and the POWER of the pass?

What would happen if, by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of any other button... this alone would be enough to determine the DIRECTION of the pass, the TIMING of the pass, and the POWER of the pass?

Well, this is what happens when you dribble and run with the ball....

If you direct the left analogue stick without the assistance of any button: this will be enough to cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance... In other words, you can actually run without the assistance of a sprint button.

If you could pass the ball without the assistance of a passing button; this is what happens with running and dribbling... you can run without the assistance of a running button, you can run past three defenders without ever actually utilizing your brain, because running and dribbling is 50% automatic and scripted.

The left analogue stick determines HOW you run with the ball, WHEN you run with the ball, and the DISTANCE COVERED with the ball.

This is a problem with both PES11 and FIFA11. And this massive flaw is covered up with overly-difficult controls to minimize the overall lack of substance, basically, making a dumb game... harder or more difficult than it should be.

And this is a problem, and I do not need to play the game 24/7 to notice such an obvious flaw; after so many years of the same ping pong formula.... you just reach the point were you have outgrown such an insubstantial and superficial video game.

Yes it is fun, for a limited time, it is fun, which is the reason for why I still bother paying for the damn thing; but after paying so much money over the years, I feel like I have not received my money's worth.

PES11 is what PES09 should have been; in fact, Konami themselves said that PES11 is what PES08 should have been.... which says it all really.
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Now, returning to the topic of PES vs FIFA,

FIFA11....

I cannot bother myself with that game, I just find the whole FIFA series a waste of time, because in my opinion, it lacks depth; and no depth + no substance, is a formula that I do not tolerate... it simply, insults my intelligence, to the point were I feel insulted as opposed to entertained.

PES11....

Like FIFA, PES is a dumb and superficial video game; but unlike FIFA, PES has some level of depth... despite the overall lack of substance.

 

[Gun_Runner]

.................................................. Lets put it this way, your BOTH a bunch of deluded dicks.

However, I still think Konami should give him a listen.





I don't hear the masses speaking.... just a bunch of bitches flapping they pussy lips, this is where you come in.

The REAL story on Fifa 11.....

The game is totally bugged to fuck, from DAY ONE people were saying Online was night unplayable because of bugs, there were so many people cheating, the leader boards had to be reset and even that probably hasn't fixed the issue as their are still people apparently exploiting the flag glitch. Player were losing their Virtual Pro points, all kinds of crazy bugs.

The Career mode is a JOKE apparently,boring, shallow and bugged to fuck for another year, this is why in a poll held on the official fifa forums something like 45% of those who voted said they would be moving to PES2011 to try it because Fifa is a piece of shit yet again.

I even got Pm'd from someone who was backing fifa in this very thread, saying he is moving to PES2011 because the Career mode is a bunch of bullshit.

Other than Movement, Animations, and atmosphere how the hell is fifa better than PES this year? Please let me know.

You think that Shitty ''Personality+'' even comes close to the player individuality in PES.........

You think that shitty Pro passing is better than Pes's passing system.....

You think Career mode is better than Master League........

You think its realistic for Messi to be as good a central defender as Nesta?




Fifa 11 = Shiny 24 carat gold on the outside, and a stinking 24 carat turd on the inside.

Im not saying PES2011 isnt retarded in certain ways, but the game gets bashed to fuck when its doing alot of things better than fifa this year.

You're not honestly gonna try and tell us that PES has better online than FIFA are you? Having a lag free game is virtually unheard of in PES - fact!

Also, do you think it's realistic than Daniel Van Buyten is as fast as Messi (PES)? Didn't think so.

Thought I'd balance the view

 

[James_dean]

You're not honestly gonna try and tell us that PES has better online than FIFA are you? Having a lag free game is virtually unheard of in PES - fact!

Also, do you think it's realistic than Daniel Van Buyten is as fast as Messi (PES)? Didn't think so.

Thought I'd balance the view

From what I´ve heard Pes is pretty good online this year though it´s not lag free. On the other hand people are saying Fifa online is the opposite to what it used to be. So your so called fact isn´s really based on facts is it?

 

[Amateur]

From what I´ve heard Pes is pretty good online this year though it´s not lag free. On the other hand people are saying Fifa online is the opposite to what it used to be. So your so called fact isn´s really based on facts is it?

That's an interesting thought,

I mean, why would FIFA, all of a sudden, have all these lag problems when their Online was working well for the past 3 years?

Seriously, what is it with the stupid force filed surrounding strong CPU players? I mean, you can't even get near them at times.

The fact that we have never had any solid physics in terms of dribbling and man-marking, has a lot to do with the problem.

Why so many spot-kicks in PES5?

Why such an incompetent tackling system in the FIFA series?

EA Sports copied what PES has done for almost a decade, and they still have not perfected it; I expected this would happen, with the whole "personality+" -- even more so, when we are talking about EA Sports.

Also, I agree that personality plus and pro passing aren't what they were marketed to be. That's just gimmic.

EA Sports also marketed 360 RUNNING as "360 DRIBBLING" -- Yet it has nothing to do with dribbling, it's just running in different directions, with pretty animations, and absolutely no substance where it matters the most.

And also PES, "engineered for freedom", never mind the fact that it is the same old concept with a better passing system and a few details added here and there.

That's the beauty of marketing, you can invade a country, and instead of "invasion", you can say that you are "liberating" the country.

I no longer read reviews from any website nor any magazine, all of them are either fan boys with no idea of what they are saying, or people with an agenda whom are getting paid.

This is why they never talk about THE BIGGER PICTURE, because they are not paid to talk about the bigger picture, they get paid for minimizing and even completely ignoring the bigger picture; which is precisely what the people want to hear...

Constructive criticism is obscene, because it gets in the way of the big money maker, and the big money maker is CENSORSHIP.

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Amateur has struck again! This Wacko has destroyed so many threads with his shit its hard to believe ppl still read his posts. He does not have any fucking idea about what he is saying but just keep posting pure shit about left stick right stick 10 min simulation dribbling ....etc.

I hope you all realize that this guy is actually typing from a mental institution.

SPOILER ALERT

Fifa 11 is waaay better than PES 2011 this year.
The masses has spoken again.

Fuck everything and anything that anyone says.....play the fucking game you love, whether PES or Fifa. At the end of the day ..it only matters what you like ...not what these idiots are trying put in your head.

Tech_Skill deserves to be banned if he cannot make a point without cursing like a fucking idiot.

Amateur must be banned for being .....well just mentally retarded and post articles more than five words.

:angry:

I think it's hilarious how you talk about me... call me mentally retarded... when I never waste my time talking about you: that pretty much sums up why nobody gives a shit about whatever it is you think, you never actually say anything worth reading.

Actually, and I know it's easy to say big words from a computer and I personally find it hilarious; but had you said that to my face, I would have kicked your ass right there and then. I do not think mental illnesses are something to be laughing about.

Let alone, when you don't seem to be capable of formulating your own opinions, and valuing the fact that you are not mentally retarded.

SPOILER ALERT

You are a fucking moron, nobody gives a shit about whatever it is you have to say; banning you would serve no actual purpose.

 

[Tech_Skill]

You're not honestly gonna try and tell us that PES has better online than FIFA are you? Having a lag free game is virtually unheard of in PES - fact!

Also, do you think it's realistic than Daniel Van Buyten is as fast as Messi (PES)? Didn't think so.

Thought I'd balance the view

There is deffo an AI CPU issue with slower players catching attackers up, but lets get fucking real here, the player individuality in fifa is pathetic compared to pes, the non physical differences between players are few and far between, which is why Messi is as a good a centre back as nesta.

On PES if you put an attacker at Centre back, you realise the centre back is better which justifies why you go into the transfer market and spend good money on a class centre back.

DEPTH is the key here, on fifa...

-I dont give a shit who I am playing with because when your a top team, everyone can pretty much do exactly the same non physical things. On fifa all i do is, pass, pass, pass pass shoot, dribbling is in fifa is a joke so games decend into massive pass fests where you end up using messi like Iniesta (constant passes). In PES, if you get Messi, his stats speak for themselves, you can run at defenders and turn them inside out, cut inside, and left foot curl it in the corner and thats with MESSI, you cant do the same way with with PEDRO, because Messi is an individual with a different dribble style and balance.

-I never pay attention to tactics as much as I do in PES, cos teams in fifa tend to play exactly the same way anyways and once you work out one team, you work them all out. Ps. Set defence to deep in custom tactics, I bet they still pull up near the half way line leaving a nice one on one. In pes, deep defence, means deep.

-Top Players dont stand out as much in fifa, especially top CPU players, you just bulldose into them with any player and get the ball, in PES on top player that shit dont work, you KNOW who the better players are, even on the CPU teams, Im not saying its perfect but I played Against Althletico as Real Madrid and straight away I could identify that players like Aguero, Forlan and Simao need to be watched carefully.

These a few reasons why I said fifa would suck after a few weeks (like it has since fifa 09) and guess what, im seeing people turn away from it on the fifa forums and here too, because after the initial glow, there is NO ATTATCHMENT with your team, player and tactics because there isnt enough uniqueness in the tactics, the teams and the players.

Fifa looks better than PES, Fifa looks more broadcast realistic than PES, Fifa has better atmosphere than PES, better movement than PES.

But once you get on the pitch and the flashy shit stops, it doesnt play like a real game of football for me, even the basic shit in a football game like Dribbling and having more than a millisecond to decide where to pass the ball is fucked in fifa.

One of cunts from WENB (Alan Curdie, A grade moron) said one of the truest things about PES 2011......he says he was on the board and someone said the following about the PES demo

"I dont know anything about Chivas or their players, but after a few mins of playing with them, I knew exactly who I could dribble with and who I shouldnt"

Fifa doesnt have that imo.

 

[Craney91]

Although i didnt buy that shower of shit this year.

(Didnt even lower myself to download its demo)

I have been in party chats with friends and family who are playing FIFA 11.... I told all of them i wasnt getting it MONTHS before information started coming out for it!

I gave them all the reasons not to themselves, but i couldnt stop them.

They couldnt wait to get FIFA 11 first thing on that Friday and i just told myself fuck em, i aint going back on what i said, PES is out next week.

After about 2 days (YES 2 DAYS) of FIFA being out and them playing it on clubs, single player and 1vs1 ranked. It was MOAN, MOAN, MOAN, MOAN.

I couldnt help but say "I told you so"

Lag issues, physics, stop start gameplay, button lag, through-ball issues, same patterns of play (Over the top through ball) abusing etc etc

The list is just endless and the amount of times they've said, "Oh im trading this in, im getting Pro Evo" is unbelievable. But after all the moaning, they are STILL playing it and STILL over looking PES 2011.

But perhaps thats all down to me.... Because I told them the truth about PES 2011, it is a great game this year, but it isnt easy, nothings done for you and it can be very frustrating but very rewarding.

But I personally think that they have been brainwashed into FIFA and now its a must for things to be done for you in games (assists).

So they quake at the boots at the thought of having to use their brain on PES 2011 to get somewhere on it.

Its just to hard for them to get to grips with.

But I'm happy put it that way.

 

[Amateur]

Fifa 09 for its time was a game that just had something, dont know what it is, its arguably pound for pound the best next gen game ever made, I thought EA were gonna polish and fix some of the broken gameplay from that version and its just not happening.

Because FIFA09 was the first FIFA game that played similarly to a next gen PES game, without the player individuality, without the depth, but with a certain PES-Like feel to it.

But the "360 passing" affects all the areas of the game, and if you only change the passing and yet, the rest of your game is still outdated as fuck... a new bug, and a new problem will arise, or just a very old problem that wasn't all that noticeable before.

A lot of people think FIFA09 had something, everyone is entitled to an opinion; however, I always thought and I still think, that it is a shit game with superficial and repetitive gameplay, and no depth, and barely any player individuality.

That has always been the problem with FIFA games, still is the problem with FIFA games; they have not changed the concept, if you do not replace the gameplay concept and yet you update or replace other areas of the game (such as passing), this means that core issues will automatically transfer themselves from one place to another.

And EA Sports never had any intentions of going that extra yard, they never intended to actually replace the concept and become the authority on football sims, and bury PES; because EA Sports does not depends on the FIFA series, and they know people will buy their games regardless of how shit their games actually are, because they have all the official licenses.

So why go that extra yard, when you know your game will sell more or less the same amount of copies?

And furthermore, why risk by innovating on a new formula that might actually alienate the masses?

As for football gaming in general, regarding both PES and FIFA,

The defensive system, despite how smart or dumb the AI can be, or how responsive or unresponsive the game can be: the defensive system is stupid.... because it neglects the very essence of football, when the essence of football is fairly simple, and should be easy to simulate correctly.

And this was not a problem back in ISS, because back then, the responsive and "smarter" AI fitted in perfectly with the overall responsive and arcade feel of it all; but this was back in 1998, and this is where I think your argument is lacking conviction, because the actual context is different.

And in the actual context, a massive problem that I can see, is that if the defensive system was actually competent and realistic, it might actually make the game more boring to play.... because it will force more running, and more skirmishes, and it will expose the weakest areas of the game; basically, smart AI is not a game changer, when the foundation on which it stands, is very outdated.

You are basically, asking for a next gen rendition of ISS; and you may well be asking for something that is impossible to do with modern graphics and modern animations.

And I don't mean "impossible" in that it cannot be done; I mean impossible in the sense, it would not work the same way today: where ISS was responsive and organic, the newer games will be sluggish and systematic.

I think your criticism is spot on, as I have always maintained; however, the improvements that you ask, are just very subjective in my opinion, and might not be practical in the actual context.

 

[mdma11]

So I finally come a across a grown man's thread. Honestly, this is the place where KONAMI needs to come and listen. I like it here. Tech may curse a lot but at least he won't back away from it and take full responsibility for what he says.

To me, I don't want to waste a minute of my life comparing the two games because FIFA was and always will be a kids' game. I have given it a try every year. I have played the demos and sometimes full versions and almost everytime its feels like a great game but than it quickly gets boring. Lately though, FIFA 10 and 11 specifically, it hasn't made me to go further than 5 games with the demos last two years. Its that bad for me. I understand that people have different tastes and opinions, but how it sells more than PES is a real mystery for me. Buy sales don't determine shit because people forget the real reason why EA outsells Konami. The real reason why EA think they know how to make a real footy game is because the "pokemons" thought they would be the kings no matter what and didn't give a shit. A prime example of that is the PES6 and the so called the most realistic football game ever PES 2008. Now they are taking things seriously and its just matter of time before we all get what we want.

With that said, PES 2011 is a great game with the most fucked up goal nets.

 

[Craney91]

FIFA 08 on the 360 had something, it was the best FIFA I've ever played.

It made me play that more than PES and I seriously thought it was onto something.

All the dev's that put time and effort into FIFA 08 that made it different, fresh, intuitive and balanced got the boot.

....and David Rutter and co. have made the last 4 or 5 games and oh the IRONY of it all.

Its gone tits up, it really has....and it was mainly those cocks that forced me back into Pro, thats the only thing I can thank them for.

I wouldnt even play it, if they personally come to my door and gave it me for free.

 

[Amateur]

So I finally come a across a grown man's thread. Honestly, this is the place where KONAMI needs to come and listen. I like it here. Tech may curse a lot but at least he won't back away from it and take full responsibility for what he says.

To me, I don't want to waste a minute of my life comparing the two games because FIFA was and always will be a kids' game. I have given it a try every year. I have played the demos and sometimes full versions and almost everytime its feels like a great game but than it quickly gets boring. Lately though, FIFA 10 and 11 specifically, it hasn't made me to go further than 5 games with the demos last two years. Its that bad for me. I understand that people have different tastes and opinions, but how it sells more than PES is a real mystery for me. Buy sales don't determine shit because people forget the real reason why EA outsells Konami. The real reason why EA think they know how to make a real footy game is because the "pokemons" thought they would be the kings no matter what and didn't give a shit. A prime example of that is the PES6 and the so called the most realistic football game ever PES 2008. Now they are taking things seriously and its just matter of time before we all get what we want.

With that said, PES 2011 is a great game with the most fucked up goal nets.

Which is why, they -- Konami -- should be looking at this thread, instead of listening to eloquent fan boys with no constructive things to say.

 

[Tech_Skill]

FIFA 08 on the 360 had something, it was the best FIFA I've ever played.

It made me play that more than PES and I seriously thought it was onto something.

You know what, im going to buy this game at some stage, I think i missed a trick with that game, TONS of people are saying what your saying, they say for realistic on pitch build up play, fifa 08 was the shit.

I was too busy being a PES fanboy at the time, so I joined the party a year late, but seriously, I keep hearing about FIFA08 all the time, i understand its flawed to fuck, but I hear on the field it plays a blinder.

 

[Craney91]

You know what, im going to buy this game at some stage, I think i missed a trick with that game, TONS of people are saying what your saying, they say for realistic on pitch build up play, fifa 08 was the shit.

I was too busy being a PES fanboy at the time, so I joined the party a year late, but seriously, I keep hearing about FIFA08 all the time, i understand its flawed to fuck, but I hear on the field it plays a blinder.

Thats just the thing, it isnt flawed at all. That game was the LAST time EA Sports could rightly claim simulation, the shit they produce now isnt even worth throwing on a arcade machine in a arcade.

FIFA 08 was the last game to revolve around the main thing, F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L.

But the blind everyday "nowaday" FIFA fanboy will say it was "on the rails"

It didnt have fancy form, or add-ons or anything like that. It got the basic fundamentals right, it didnt have fancy words and a big selling pitch (as Pro Evo was "still" ontop at the time)

Apart from the odd occasion where it would'nt pass when you told it to, it didnt have any glitches or abuse online. Everyone played it the right way.....

It makes me so mad that the game that converted me all those years ago, has now turned into this, something totally different....but for the worse.

They shit on me just like all the other people who moved over to FIFA 08 for the right reasons and theyve been shitting on us for 3 years.

Get it and you will say FUCK ME, was this really a FIFA?

 

[zee ole]

When i initially downloaded both demo's, i thought each gave a great game of football. FIFA felt polished, and PES had potential, and offered something different that made me purchase the final game. But like many others, i got caught up in the FIFA hype on the release day and purchased it. This is of course, after being happily satisfied with FIFA 08,09 and 10. So it didn't seem in anyway a gamble as the previous games were brilliant, and the demo felt solid and polished. Yet on the second night of having FIFA, after 8 games on online, there's no other word to describe FIFA 11 than a " scandal ". The gameplay initially felt different on the demo, but after 8 games online it felt identical to FIFA 10, and all the same problems in 10 was appearing 11 again. So yeah, was quite pissed off with FIFA.

Be a goalkeeper is an utter joke aswell. To play every game you need at least a 8.0 rating. But i got a 5.5 rating every game because no one fucking shot at me all game, so how the hell can i get my rating up. Honestly, there's so many bugs in Be A Goalkeeper i cant be arsed writing. Just give it a go yourself if you have the game and you'll see my point.

The personality + is getting a bit to slaughtered by everyone though. You can without a doubt see and feel a difference with several players, well i can anyway. I may be pissed off with FIFA, but you can feel a different with the personality + thing. The players likeness is obvious better in PES, but the way the players run in PES kind of spoils that factor. Take a look how Messi runs, its almost like a sprinter going past the line head first. Runs nothing like he does in real life, and thats quite shameful considering he's all over the front cover.

But the passing in PES just takes things to an whole new level, along with the shooting. The only thing thats spoiling PES right now for me is two things.

- Ball physics that look awful from a mile away

- Players not making runs which is a huge downer for PES. Seriously, if it wasn't for the passing being as good as it is, and the shooting, the lack of players runs alone could easily kill the game. Its a massive issue that needs sorting as at times, it almost impossible to play a game of football when no one is making runs. It almost feels like a Rugby at times with the entire team on the same line.

Apart from that though, i'm happy to say ive returned to PES after playing FIFA since 08, after the awful PES 08. The only problem Konami face is, EA has a social acceptable hype about it now. Everyone feels acceptable to purchase FIFA and brag about it without worrying about anyone slaughtering it, and a large percentage of the people who do buy it, don't analyse or notice half the things us kind of people do. We are very specific and expect everything EA/Konami tell us to be in the game and working fine. Rather the other audience is more of a game with the lads with a few beers, nothing serious. So yeah, thats something Konami will struggle with as PES fans feel almost ashamed to say in front of there mates who brag on about FIFA constantly that they feel PES is better.

 

[Amateur]

You know what, im going to buy this game at some stage, I think i missed a trick with that game, TONS of people are saying what your saying, they say for realistic on pitch build up play, fifa 08 was the shit.

I was too busy being a PES fanboy at the time, so I joined the party a year late, but seriously, I keep hearing about FIFA08 all the time, i understand its flawed to fuck, but I hear on the field it plays a blinder.

FIFA08 was better than FIFA09. I can also testify to that, as that was about the only decent FIFA game I remember playing. Though at the end of the day, it's all down to your opinion.

If I remember correctly, the player faces in FIFA08 did not looked as caricature-like as the newer games.

 

[igor1]

well thats a handful. not sure many people will read the whole thing.

lol i did and loved it, best read on here in a while well done tec

 

[alp-pacino]

boring play some pes!!!

 

[Desijut]

wow, tech has changed, i remember him slagging off pes2010 and saying how fifa 10 was king...

 

[Tech_Skill]

wow, tech has changed, i remember him slagging off pes2010 and saying how fifa 10 was king...

You will also remember me destroying both FIFA10 and PES2010 on release and being criticized for throwing Fifa10 in the bin........... by people with less money who couldn't afford to buy it new.

 

[CACR]

I love ML in PES but in terms of gameplay it's clunky, unresponsive and the passes are not realistic at all. Also, since when can slow defenders catch up to the likes of Messi and Robben when they are way in front of them already? Look I have both now, but I want a game with deep offline modes(Master league) and smooth game-play(Fifa). Both games are OK and have their faults. If you truly want to experience what it feels like to be a manager i suggest getting FM 2011
Neither one is perfect in terms of gameplay but Fifa is more passable IMO.
If you like offline modes then ML kills Manager mode in FIFA
Master league online is fun and class but Fifa clubs and team play is fun also. Except FIFA servers are worse than Konami's at this point in time.
Presentation and graphics is a tie for me

Both games need improvement and it comes down to your preference.

Gameplay improvements needed:
FIFA
- Tackling is unrealistic. You just hold a button down and your player completely runs the opposing player over! It feels like American football at times to me. Tackling is an art that is lost in FIFA. You need timing and other factors and not just hold down A.
- Dribbling past the AI is very tough but for the AI is too easy to do the same. Since when is it realistic to the zidane's roulette or maradona's gambeta every time down the pitch? Also how is it that * players can pull off moves that most real football players CAN'T!
- Pressure is an issue. You literally cannot be with the ball at your feet for more than 2 seconds before someone comes in destroying you. Realistic? NOPE!
- Manual passing is impossible too. I have to hold down the pass button ALL THE WAY AND STILL IT DOES NOT MAKE A LONG PASS.
- When you play with the AI they act so retarded is not even funny.

PES
- Passes seem to go like water past my defenders. They are right in front of a pass but they decide to chill and let the pass through.. LOL.
- Clunky, robotic unresponsive gameplay. This is a total killer for me.
- Shooting is so random.
- Defensive system is *.
- Free throws feel awkward and taking penalties is a nightmare.
- GKs make dumb mistakes all the time
- Defenders seem to be super charged and catch ANY attackers even if the attackers have a 5 meters lead.


And this just the gameplay... Fifa MUST make a complete 180 and make manager/career mode MUCH better if they want to keep a large portion of their customers happy. They must fix all the glitches/bugs and the servers as well. Pes modes are fine IMO. CL and Copa libertadores are fun. Master league offline and online are addicting and time consuming as well. Pes must work HARD on the game play first and then concentrate on the animations/graphics and the environment created in a football match needs work too. Licensing isn't much of a problem but it would be nice if the games just came with the teams already.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I love ML in PES but in terms of gameplay it's clunky, unresponsive and the passes are not realistic at all. Also, since when can slow defenders catch up to the likes of Messi and Robben when they are way in front of them already? Look I have both now, but I want a game with deep offline modes(Master league) and smooth game-play(Fifa). Both games are OK and have their faults. If you truly want to experience what it feels like to be a manager i suggest getting FM 2011
Neither one is perfect in terms of gameplay but Fifa is more passable IMO.
If you like offline modes then ML kills Manager mode in FIFA
Master league online is fun and class but Fifa clubs and team play is fun also. Except FIFA servers are worse than Konami's at this point in time.
Presentation and graphics is a tie for me

Both games need improvement and it comes down to your preference.

Gameplay improvements needed:
FIFA
- Tackling is unrealistic. You just hold a button down and your player completely runs the opposing player over! It feels like American football at times to me. Tackling is an art that is lost in FIFA. You need timing and other factors and not just hold down A.
- Dribbling past the AI is very tough but for the AI is too easy to do the same. Since when is it realistic to the zidane's roulette or maradona's gambeta every time down the pitch? Also how is it that * players can pull off moves that most real football players CAN'T!
- Pressure is an issue. You literally cannot be with the ball at your feet for more than 2 seconds before someone comes in destroying you. Realistic? NOPE!
- Manual passing is impossible too. I have to hold down the pass button ALL THE WAY AND STILL IT DOES NOT MAKE A LONG PASS.
- When you play with the AI they act so retarded is not even funny.

PES
- Passes seem to go like water past my defenders. They are right in front of a pass but they decide to chill and let the pass through.. LOL.
- Clunky, robotic unresponsive gameplay. This is a total killer for me.
- Shooting is so random.
- Defensive system is *.
- Free throws feel awkward and taking penalties is a nightmare.
- GKs make dumb mistakes all the time
- Defenders seem to be super charged and catch ANY attackers even if the attackers have a 5 meters lead.


And this just the gameplay... Fifa MUST make a complete 180 and make manager/career mode MUCH better if they want to keep a large portion of their customers happy. They must fix all the glitches/bugs and the servers as well. Pes modes are fine IMO. CL and Copa libertadores are fun. Master league offline and online are addicting and time consuming as well. Pes must work HARD on the game play first and then concentrate on the animations/graphics and the environment created in a football match needs work too. Licensing isn't much of a problem but it would be nice if the games just came with the teams already.

Alot of good points made here.

PES's defensive system is ass, no doubt about it.

Im gonna lay down the gauntlet right now.

I think its going to be real difficult from now on for anyone to argue that FIFA11 can compete with PES2011 in terms of depth. For reasons which are already well documented in this thread.

I think soon, we will all be ready to talk about next years games, and what we expect from them and which ones we think are gonna be the one to get. I'll probably do a new thread for that with some extra shit talk in it, for me, EA sports are gonna be on the ropes BIG TIME, I dont know why but im expecting some kind of revolutionary idea from them which is gonna have people talking, I also wanna see if they decide to improve the personality + or if they move onto something else.