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Stop The Scripted Cheating

LEGOFLAMB22

Registered User
Seriously I love Pro Evo but year after year the game just has too many cheats and annoyances.

1. When you do a tackle the computer conveniently gets the ball back - the player you tackled might as well have just done the perfect pass to his team mate as that's where the ball goes, and straight to feet.

2.when you're fouled in opponents box ref doesn't give penalties but for the same foul anywhere else on the field (that you commit) you get a yellow for.

3. your players turn soooooo slowly on the ball allowing opponents to tackle even if you're dribbling with someone fast like walcott and not someone rubbish like distin

4. slow opponent players catch up and push past you to tackle you as if by miracle (christiano ronaldo vs say makalele)

5. computer *nearly always* scores free kicks even if you have a brilliant keeper and the guy taking the free kick is John Mcrubbish

6. every pass you make goes directly to opposing team or goes to the wrong player in a bad position so the computer can get the ball back easily.

7. your defenders refuse to head the ball when in a brilliant position, allowing computer to score

8. when you tackle the computer the ball seems to bobble and then stick to that players feet defying physics.

9. your players refuse to shoot or pass when you tell them. For example you press the button to make sure they hit it first time and instead they take bad touches and allow defenders to close down making chances to score disappear

10. your defenders kicking the ball out when there's plenty of time to pass properly and you've told them not to kick it in that direction.

11. you can smell when the computer has decided it *will* score as all their players are crap and even though you close them down and give them no space they seem to be able to bustle past and push defenders out of the way in order to score.

It makes master league almost unplayable when you're far better than the team you're playing but it cheats at every opportunity and decides not to let you win.

It even cheats when you play a friend in exhibition mode but not nearly as bad and it seems to swap who it cheats.

I don't mind losing fair and square but when it's doing it on purpose it's so annoying
 

HH

Registered User
Since PES2. And I dont think it will stop. Ive written about it before and im sure alot of you will write about it in the future, its part of PES and I dont think it should will go.
 

stottmeister

Registered User
maybe this is part of what makes pes better than fifa.

i mean, fifa i always used to win 5-0 or something, on pes it seems the cpu restricts you through this scripting which in some way prevents total dominance, or in my case prevents even slight dominance.

i do agree it is a pain, like the last minute corner thar the cpu gets and you can bet your ass it results in that equaliser/winner that you prayed you could avoid
 

MatTheCat

Registered User
Never mind the CPU scripting in one player mode....

The exact same gameplay 'bending' probability altering algorithms and equations impact the 2 player game just the same.

Imagine being the guy who lost the 50K PES 2008 tourney as a result of this scripting AI! If it were me, I would be catching the next flight out to Tokyo with Cricket bat and a 6 inch nail in my suitcase looking for blood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BreJCpmA7cQ

Although it must be said, the guy who did win the 50K is a thoroughly decent chap. One of the only 'favourtites' to have won the tourney whom I would grudge the jackpot going to......even if he does totally rely upon both the AI scripting in his favour and the ugliest goals that are in the game.
 

stottmeister

Registered User
yes, i did have a game versus my gal's dad and he absolutely battered me, he was liverpool, i was spurs.

but the cpu seemed to deny him over and again and i scored the only goal late on.

now i wasn't complaining then but i bet this guy was pissed who lost the competition tho.
 

MatTheCat

Registered User
yes, i did have a game versus my gal's dad and he absolutely battered me, he was liverpool, i was spurs.

but the cpu seemed to deny him over and again and i scored the only goal late on.

now i wasn't complaining then but i bet this guy was pissed who lost the competition tho.

Yeah......So long as the game is taken with a pinch of salt, as no more than a bit of light hearted fun around the Sofa with nothing much at stake except winner stays on or bragging rights, then perhaps the scripting can add a bit of excitement to fray.

But as soon as the game is being played competitvely, whether it be a £5 per head tourney amongst mates or a national tournment for a small fortune, the Scripting AI needs to get right the fuck out of the game and leave the outcome of the game down to the skills of the two humans playing the game with no hidden AI hand interfering in any way whatsoever other than by genuine sheer chance (as oppossed to calculated chance)
 

The Eristic

Registered User
7. your defenders refuse to head the ball when in a brilliant position, allowing computer to score

How about your 6'4"+ attackers with jump/header in the 90s persistently refusing to head the ball in the box, always trying some ridiculous overhead or scissor kick from like 6 yards out?
 

Amateur

Registered User
Seriously I love Pro Evo but year after year the game just has too many cheats and annoyances.

1. When you do a tackle the computer conveniently gets the ball back - the player you tackled might as well have just done the perfect pass to his team mate as that's where the ball goes, and straight to feet.

2.when you're fouled in opponents box ref doesn't give penalties but for the same foul anywhere else on the field (that you commit) you get a yellow for.

3. your players turn soooooo slowly on the ball allowing opponents to tackle even if you're dribbling with someone fast like walcott and not someone rubbish like distin

4. slow opponent players catch up and push past you to tackle you as if by miracle (christiano ronaldo vs say makalele)

5. computer *nearly always* scores free kicks even if you have a brilliant keeper and the guy taking the free kick is John Mcrubbish

6. every pass you make goes directly to opposing team or goes to the wrong player in a bad position so the computer can get the ball back easily.

7. your defenders refuse to head the ball when in a brilliant position, allowing computer to score

8. when you tackle the computer the ball seems to bobble and then stick to that players feet defying physics.

9. your players refuse to shoot or pass when you tell them. For example you press the button to make sure they hit it first time and instead they take bad touches and allow defenders to close down making chances to score disappear

10. your defenders kicking the ball out when there's plenty of time to pass properly and you've told them not to kick it in that direction.

11. you can smell when the computer has decided it *will* score as all their players are crap and even though you close them down and give them no space they seem to be able to bustle past and push defenders out of the way in order to score.

It makes master league almost unplayable when you're far better than the team you're playing but it cheats at every opportunity and decides not to let you win.

It even cheats when you play a friend in exhibition mode but not nearly as bad and it seems to swap who it cheats.

I don't mind losing fair and square but when it's doing it on purpose it's so annoying

AI-Cheating has been a part of PES since as far as I can remember. It shouldn't be removed -BUT- it should definitively change. The whole random "momentum shifts" Concept needs to change.

* We need solid reasons for every AI-Controlled "Momentum Shift".

Konami needs to give us more control over the AI-Controlled momentum shifts. If Konami manages to do that, then it would be a great feature... Otherwise, I would prefer it if the random cheating isn't in the game.

As for the fans who say that "it's not cheating"... IT IS CHEATING; SEABASS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THIS TO BE TRUE.

I find it pointless that some people still say that "it is not cheating". Why would someone say that When Seabass himself confirmed this to be true??
 

Amateur

Registered User
Yeah......So long as the game is taken with a pinch of salt, as no more than a bit of light hearted fun around the Sofa with nothing much at stake except winner stays on or bragging rights, then perhaps the scripting can add a bit of excitement to fray.

But as soon as the game is being played competitvely, whether it be a £5 per head tourney amongst mates or a national tournment for a small fortune, the Scripting AI needs to get right the fuck out of the game and leave the outcome of the game down to the skills of the two humans playing the game with no hidden AI hand interfering in any way whatsoever other than by genuine sheer chance (as oppossed to calculated chance)

Fully agree...
 

Amateur

Registered User
If the cheating is scripted, then maybe you guys should learn to read. :smug:

I have learned how to read and... the book is quite boring after the 1st read.

Konami must change their game in this respect, it is predictable and repetitive... and it's plain out OLD. Next Gen Consoles should give us more Control (and substance) over every aspect of the game.

Somehow taking a ride with the COM becomes boring after a few plays. It can be cool and exciting for awhile, but I think it's reached the point where the game should be more Serious.
 

Ravex

Registered User
You simply CAN'T deny that there comes a period where your teammates simply cannot do a single thing.

This is more evident in BAL than anything else.
 

Keane'o

Registered User
i dont think its as bad as some of you are making out.....people will often blame the computer when its just the player being shit...easy option
 

shaun7

Registered User
I don't want to start a fifa vs pes war. But in Fifa 09, the AI cheating is much less and yet, the game is still difficult. Why can't pes be the same? I really hate the cheating because it takes place in 2 players too.
 

Amateur

Registered User
I don't want to start a fifa vs pes war. But in Fifa 09, the AI cheating is much less and yet, the game is still difficult. Why can't pes be the same? I really hate the cheating because it takes place in 2 players too.

Yeah because FIFA gives us more control over certain things like; passing the ball, midfield battles, corner kicks, etc, etc...

But at the same time I think that "momentum shifts" are a Reality of Football and should be a part of PES. But Konami must give us more control over it.
 

stottmeister

Registered User
i was losing every match in ML till i got bent on a half season loan. now i cant lose.

i get the feeling this scripting has shifted in my favour because now he's gone back to spurs i'm still winning, i know my other guys have improved but not that much in 11 games.

its almost like the A.I. has decided i've been humiliated enough now.
 

shaun7

Registered User
^That's the problem. The AI decides for you.
Yeah because FIFA gives us more control over certain things like; passing the ball, midfield battles, corner kicks, etc, etc...

But at the same time I think that "momentum shifts" are a Reality of Football and should be a part of PES. But Konami must give us more control over it.

Excactly. I hope pes 2010, has less "AI decides for you" things and will have a manual control system.
 
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