Yet another condescending reply from you, it's clear who you sympathize with; oh, and no, I never said that A/X does not exist, what I actually said is that A/X determines, not only when you tackle, but also how you tackle..... there's an obvious lack of consistency to such a system.
The flaw of such a system is comparable to a passing system where directing the left analog stick without the assistance of any other button determined both the direction of passing and the timing of passing..... a flawed and inconsistent system.
I know you give the nice talk about your opinion and all, but the condescending manner in which you put words in my mouth, words that I never said, is offensive, I'm not as dumb as you want to believe, quit fucking around, I'm not talking about anything complicated here and you are making an idiot of yourself with your laughable retorts.
I know what you are trying to explain to me, it is very fucking dumb and obvious, you do not need to explain to me something that I already understand; however, what you do not seem to understand is the fact that, by no stretch of the imagination, would I compare such an automatic and simplistic system with real life.
Tell me, do you direct the standing tackle? How about the distance of the standing tackle in accordance to the given direction?
Those two things, direction and distance of the standing tackle, you need to do that in real life when defending, you need to measure those two factors; in PES, it seems rather impossible considering the fact that you cannot direct the standing tackle without also running or moving towards the given direction, you just release a button and the player AUTOMATICALLY executes the standing tackle in accordance to an AUTOMATIC direction and an AUTOMATIC distance..... Yeah, if you think that's realistic, well perhaps that explains your incredibly dumb retorts.
Tell me, how can I not move and at the same time direct the left analog stick towards the south, as far towards the south as the left analog stick can go, without the player running towards the south?
If I cannot direct the standing tackle without also directing the direction that the player is looking at as well as the direction in which the player runs, it makes it impossible to determine something as accurate as the distance of the tackle. Bottom line, I fail to see how such an automatic and simplistic system is "the exact same case in real life", I think you are using your imagination to make up for a lot of fundamental flaws.
Once again being a condescending moron. When did I moved on to something else? I merely decided not to waste me time giving you any credibility, you said that you were pretty sure that John Terry tackled twice, that's merely your word, it's nothing reassuring.
Please, do show me how many times has John Terry tackled twice in 90 minutes of play, give me numbers.
And -- AGAIN -- are we talking about BAL or are we talking about the actual game? Because I fail to see the relevance, I mean, John Terry is one individual, in PES you control ten individuals, so what if John Terry usually tackles just twice in 90 minutes of play? Does it change the fact that in PES you use all the players?
Answer me this: how many times does Dani Alves tackle in 90 minutes of play?
To that number, which is in fact ALWAYS higher than 10 times, you must add the amount of times that Pique, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Villa, and the rest of them, tackle throughout the 90 minutes of play..... we are easily talking about more than 20 standing tackles..... Why the fuck is it relevant to consider the amount of times that John Terry tackles in 90 minutes of play? Please do explain.
I'm not moving onto something else, I'm not avoiding anything, I just fail to see the logic of why you consider it a relevant comparison, it doesn't make sense as far as I'm concerned, it is a flawed and dumb argument.
I kind of read it, in and out of a coma.
What you're saying is stupid. When people, like myself use the John Terry comparison we are referring to one defender simply tackling around 2 or 3 times in a game. Maybe less. Obviously you multiply the amount of tackles figure so that every defender would probably tackle around once or twice in a game. Guess what, it varies AMATEUR. Sometimes Chelsea will play a team that they don't have to tackle much and therefore there will be less executed tackles. Other times, Chelsea will play a side where they are under more pressure and are forced to make more tackles.
Are you following so far? Right I'l continue.
The tackling button is there, and guess what again, it does work! Dada!
But you have to very precise, once you make the tackle, like IRL, you have that second where you are committing yourself to a challenge. In the PES game, I don't want to commit myself to any challenges, because on the demo, there are players like Nani and Giggs and Rooney from the first demo (who are good), and Bale, Ribbery, Robben, Eto etc from the second demo (who are class) at precision dribbling.
So it's pretty much like real life Amateur. If you expect to take control of Rangers and constantly tackle Ribbery or Robben then you're obviously not an advocate of simulation football. Skrtel tried to man mark and tackle Bale yesterday and look where that got him, a red card and getting raped down the wing all day. Now you may be better at timing tackles than me and have better reflexes than me, so go on knock yourself out and hit that tackle button all day. It can be done.
But I can't do it, and neither do I want to do it. My defensive unit way of playing is now sound. I rely mainly on positioning players and cutting down space. IF NECESSARY, and only if I have no other option I'll make a standing challenge or go to ground. What you have to understand is that the game is very contextual. If Robben has time and space because you've messed up your defensive line (and this may be from your strikers to your midfield) and he's tearing at you, then don't expect to be able to JUST make a standing tackle against him. However, if you have ushered them into tight spaces and restricted space and surround them with players leaving less options, then your chances of pulling off a tackle or much higher. After my last (albeit long game play post), where I feel completely comfortable with the game now, I went onto draw one and lose two last night.
I don't think that this is game that can be very easily mastered such is the brilliance of the AI. It is the closest thing to a real life being played out, AND THAT's WHAT I WANT. I don't want sweet spots, I want to see different moves, different goals and I want to be dissected if I lose concentration for a second.
I don't have a problem with the game because A) I know I can now keep a clean sheet if I put in 100% effort and concentration B) If I do concede then I can almost every time trace it back, usually to the midfield area where I did something wrong.
Now again, I go back to IRL defending. If you are a good defender and I mean top class, then you hardly HAVE to tackle. Take Rio Ferdinand for example. His role is more of pick up the pieces sweeper these days, but his reading of the game is brilliant. If tackling was SO EASY, why do ninety per cent of defences around the world revert to two banks of four and get back behind the ball? Why doesn't everyone just attack the man with the ball constantly? I'll tell you why, because it's difficult against top players.
For the first time in any PES game since the PS2 days, I fear top players. I totally switch on when I see these players get the ball - Ribbery, Robben, Eto, Bale.
Now I know you'll come back with words like, dumb, condescending, stupid etc etc, you used to use RETARDED a lot but I guess Daddy bought you a thesaurus last Christmas and now you get more points on the Scrabble board for 'Condescending', which is great.
You may also call me stupid for not understanding your great 'Space Theory', and whether or not I want to go through, over, under, or up my arse with it. Go ahead call me stupid, there are many things I cannot comprehend in your posts, you may be onto something and I just don't 'get it', or maybe your talking bullshit.
All I care about is that I want a game that resembles something that I see on TV. For me, this iteration of PES, is as near to perfection, for me, that there is. The movement of my players, the movement of the CPU players. The toughness of the game. The art of defending. The balance between dribbling and passing (I've never been a dribbler, but I am learning all the time about how to dribble effectively). I'm having a scream getting beat, and the adrenaline rushes when I win.
THIS IS MY OPINION, and considering I'm the one that will be playing the game in MY HOUSE this year, to be honest, the only one I have to convince about anything is me.
Now, I don't know what online is going to be like, and I don't know whether or not the effectiveness or rather ineffectiveness of tackling as you put it, will be a major exploit, Time will tell. But when I played my mate in two player this wasn't the case.
As always I'll await your reply.
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