I cant believe im saying this

[musbuka]

Fifa Is Craaaap I Returned It Today

 

[fred741]

Do you want another metaphor? Because there's a limited supply.

 

[CRISSGRAN]

Why buy Fifa muzza?? maybe because i's his choice which is the point he was trying to make, people are entitled to make that choice. Not everybody has the same opinion as you ya know oh and calm down a bit eh, you sound like a PES Marketing exec.

 

[fred741]

Aha! Intelligent life!

 

[CRISSGRAN]

Aha! Intelligent life!

lol Yeah there are a few of us on here, sometimes you have to look hard though. So sick of people on here saying you're entitled to your own opinion and then after you give it questioning it and trying to change your mindset to match their own...... Very sad.

 

[fred741]

Very sad indeed...ah well, there's nowt can be done about it most of the time.

 

[Eastside]

What a I find sad is that anyone who actually likes PES2009 is accused of being unfair in the Pro Evolution Soccer Forums.

Sure everyone is entitled to their own opinion that's why you have people who like what they like. However, just because someone else opinion differs from your own doesn't mean they are not being fair. Specially when they are in a forum relating to the product they actually like.

 

[FIORE_FAN]

If people are going to prefer one game over the other by creating a thread at least explain why you like the game? So far I've only read generalizations of why. Which usually leads to arguments. I have been neutral between FIFA09 and PES2009 but found some differences between the 2. Here is why I choose PES2009 over FIFA09:

-Game play is more suited for my taste.
-Ball handling, dribbling and some of the control aspects are intuitive to the game for me.
-Better ball physics. The ball doesn't give the impression of floating while in flight.
-IQ is better
-AI's reactions appear more life like in both offense and defense.
-AI players look more life like. For example: taller, fuller, etc w/o the camera being close up on them.
-PC version is similar to the console version
-More noticeable challenge when difficulty is increased
-etc

Now these and many more reasons why I found PES2009 more enjoyable over FIFA09. I have to be honest here. Although some like FIFA09 more I find it hard to grasp why a person can't specifically explain why.

I think I'll try and "pick the glove" up on this one.
By the way; I'm danish - so my english isn't perfect - sorry.
First off: I play the Xbox360 versions and I've only played the demos.
A bit about me - so you guys won't come yelling fanboy etc. I've been a fan of soccergames since the Kick Off and Sensible days on the Amiga. My first soccergame for a console was FIFA 98(?) on my PS one - but shortly after i discovered the ISS Pro Evo series. Ever since I've played and owend almost every PES installment and haven't really cared much about FIFA. Until this year, that is.

I believe the games are very different and yet soooo alike. The huge gap between the two titles are - in my oppinion - now almost gone. The biggest difference between the two titles have until 09 always been the gameplay. Well if I remember correct, then EA hired an intirely new team (in Canada?) to give the FIFA series an overhaul, two years ago. And that decision has payed off - and is very noticable.

The biggest gribe with the FIFA games was the very slow controls. Everytime you wanted a change in direction - the time it took from when you pushed the button till you animated player did what commanded to do - was unforgivingly slow and long.
This year it has improved to what is acceptable. The reason it is a bit slower than in PES, is because the good looking animations has to kick in. After some games I personally got used to it - and actually doesn't find it a problem. I've found that it's just a matter of thinking a bit ahead of your next move - just like in the early days of Pro Evo: You had to think ahead (that was more in the matter of the passinggame - since the controls never was slow in Pro Evo).
So in this department it's really question of what you want: The sleek good looking animations, with a tiny (and this is really as tiny as can be) slow down in the controls. Or do you prefer the "super" responsive controls - but then the "non-excistent" animations?

Personally I like the super sleek animations i FIFA 09 - and don't find the response in the controls a problem - so therefore, in this I would prefer FIFA.

Where PES excells is in the individual player likeliness and the difference in how they play. In PES you don't have to look at the playernames in the HUD - you know who you are in control of just by looking at the player on screen. Moreover; every players stats, skills and attributs are significant to each player, and you have to take into account what that players strengths and weakness are. This is what FIFA is lacking the most right now. It's become better - but player likliness and individual feel is still much better in PES than in FIFA. This is also one major cause as to why I don't rush out and buy FIFA09.
But I have to say that FIFA isn't as bad. Try Diarra or Robinho on Real Madrid, and you'll notice right away that not every player plays the same way. Diarra is strong as a bear and win almost every tackle midfield while Robinho is super fast and has a very accurate shot compared to the other players. But still - PES does it better.

What PES also does better, is the sensation that you feel in total control of your tactics and your players positioning. With that I mean that you can assign your different midfielders as an example to either def. nid, central mid., attacking mid. and so on. And by doing so - you'll notice the difference straight away on the pitch. That I lack in FIFA - but since I've only played the demo I don't know if it's in the final game.

Coming from Demark I'd love to play my favorite team Odense (OB) - which I can in FIFA in an intire season. I can't do that in PES.

In FIFA the "finess" shooting-buttom works a marvel - and I really miss that in PES. The same buttom doesn't work as well in PES. That I miss.

I love to do editing in PES - but then again; If FIFA has all the right kits why not just choose that? This is a minor priority from my sight though.

So as I see it, it comes down what you feel you find most important. Good graphics with a billion great animations - but not so much control over you tactics and not so huge a difference in how the individual players play. Then it's FIFA.
Do you want to feel in control of every little movement and placement on the pitch and individual player likliness - but some good graphics with awfull animations in comparison, then PES is your game.
Gameplaywise I don't think there is a big enough difference to make it an issue.

Myself? I'm undesided. I'll read each and every review and then make a dissision later. Maybe I'll end up not buying any...

Buttom line: Both are great games - it's just a question about what kind of wrapping you prefer.

The gripe I have is, that personally I'm dissapoint in the lack of improvements Konami have made the last couple of years. That might tick me to consider FIFA.

 

[Eastside]

^^
That was a very informative, unbais post, cheers!

The reason it is a bit slower than in PES, is because the good looking animations has to kick in.

This is were the AI players attempt to mimic real life movement. IMO, you shouldn't be able to turn on a dime, kick on a dime, tackle on a dime, etc. There should be proper animation when a player goes from a running stance to a tackle stance. It shouldn't be an instance thing because you pushed the button.

So in this department it's really question of what you want: The sleek good looking animations, with a tiny (and this is really as tiny as can be) slow down in the controls. Or do you prefer the "super" responsive controls - but then the "non-existent" animations?

This is one example of why I've read some calling FIFA09 a "kiddy game". All sports game should (at the very least) attempt to mimic proper player movement IMO. All signature moves aside, the fundamentals of how the human body goes from a walking stance to a running stance then to kicking should have proper animation. So you are spot on here.

Where PES excells is in the individual player likeliness and the difference in how they play. In PES you don't have to look at the playernames in the HUD - you know who you are in control of just by looking at the player on screen. Moreover; every players stats, skills and attributs are significant to each player, and you have to take into account what that players strengths and weakness are. This is what FIFA is lacking the most right now. It's become better - but player likliness and individual feel is still much better in PES than in FIFA.

Excellent observation here. Let's be honest, you should be able to tell the difference from one player to the next. Also, your team mates shouldn't play the same when their attributes say different. On player will be strong in some things and weak in others. And their position on the field should offer even a beginner some idea of what to expect from them.

What PES also does better, is the sensation that you feel in total control of your tactics and your players positioning. With that I mean that you can assign your different midfielders as an example to either def. mid, central mid., attacking mid. and so on. And by doing so - you'll notice the difference straight away on the pitch. That I lack in FIFA09

Another good explanation here. That's why the game play mechanics between games are so different (and noticeable).

Coming from Demark I'd love to play my favorite team Odense (OB) - which I can in FIFA in an intire season. I can't do that in PES.

This is a valid complaint. Hopefully the modding community can address this. Or, hopefully offered in the retail as an update or through other means.

In FIFA the "finess" shooting-button works a marvel - and I really miss that in PES. The same buttom doesn't work as well in PES. That I miss.

I am not sure I completely understand what you mean. An example maybe needed. Maybe I missed something when I played it?

So as I see it, it comes down to what you feel you find most important. Good graphics with a billion great animations - but not so much control over you tactics and not so huge a difference in how the individual players play. Then it's FIFA.
Do you want to feel in control of every little movement and placement on the pitch and individual player likliness - but some good graphics with awfull animations in comparison, then PES is your game.

Your conclusion is a bit hard to understand. This is not because of a language barrier but because it doesn't fit with all your typed so far in your post. The explanation between PES2009 and FIFA09. For me the differences are (but no limited to):
better animation, graphics and, proper animation response times
vs
move on "the dime" AI movement and instant button mashing reactions.
Maybe I misunderstood what you are trying to convey. However overall I do agree with most of your post.

 

[FutebolArte]

from what I heard it still feels like it's on rails.... even tho you can move 360º... that was my worst gripe about fifa... even if they both are quality games, I can't be bothered... although I get more freedom from PES... and I love freedom, what are you a terrorist??? LOL

but really it come down to opinion, and opinions are like assholes, everybody's gotta have them... some are more fucked than others...:naughty:

 

[muzza798]

Why buy Fifa muzza?? maybe because i's his choice which is the point he was trying to make, people are entitled to make that choice. Not everybody has the same opinion as you ya know oh and calm down a bit eh, you sound like a PES Marketing exec.

Oh yes because i said "You shouldnt buy Fifa". I wasnt just saying why for the sake of it, i was actually asking why.

 

[jon_blade]

I bought FIFA and it ain't great. I played PES demo and it ain't great. The most frustrating thing is that we have two massive football games that are both average. I wish another developer would try to create a new football game, they can't do any worse surely?!

 

[MatTheCat]

Buttom line: Both are great games - it's just a question about what kind of wrapping you prefer.

The gripe I have is, that personally I'm dissapoint in the lack of improvements Konami have made the last couple of years. That might tick me to consider FIFA.

All ur points were valid ones but....

Surely the main differences between the two titles is that one is incredibly strong in the body, depth, and variety of its outfield play but a bit watered down when attacking the goal (FIFA09), Whilst the other is still very basic in its outfield game play but is much slicker and also wins hands down in attacking/defending the goal situations with its superior ball physics and much more responsive controls (PES2008).

No matter what anyone says.....these are the two gameplay factors that differentiate the two titles the most and are the factors that will draw individuals to one game or the other.

 

[Gun_Runner]

In all honesty the reason I prefer PES is because I'm a constant editor and like to update my games in as many ways possible, oh and I feel more satisfaction when I score in PES a lot of the goals I score in Fifa look EXACTLY the same, that's never happened in PES.

dunno if you ever played PES 08 online? EVERYBODY would just shoot with Adriano or score 'Pro Evo' goals into you (run to the edge of the box and cut the ball back)

 

[Eastside]

dunno if you ever played PES 08 online? EVERYBODY would just shoot with Adriano or score 'Pro Evo' goals into you (run to the edge of the box and cut the ball back)

But they are doing that now on FIFA09. They call it "curving" as it doesn't curl like in RL. IE: you have the option to delay the bend after the ball is kicked. So what may look like a straight kick will actually turn at the last moment.

 

[Gun_Runner]

how do you bend the ball after you kick it in FIFA?

 

[Aizac]

Relaxs lads.
This is just a game, just follow your own opinion.
Its not like after you buy the game, they would make a tattoo on your body,
'I bought a PES/FIFA'

For me, FIFA have the graphics but PES have the gameplay.

 

[Eastside]

how do you bend the ball after you kick it in FIFA?

On the xbox 360 controller to do a curl/swerve:
use the d-pad to start a FK
-position the camera so that the goal is slightly to the side
-push the left thumb stick left and tap the red "B" button at the same time
-continue to hold left thumbstick as the player begins to kick the ball
On the PS3 I've been told you can add extra turn on the ball by holding R1.



video 1<---click here
Notice that the ball is going straight. No outward bend to the right as it goes slightly left then down.

video 2<---click here
Look at the first few seconds of this video. What I see is the AI GK thinking the ball was just to the left of the left goal post. When kicked it's flying trajectory was in fact straight, just to the left of the goal post (from the GK's point of view). Then all of a sudden it's flight path changes. By the time the AI goal keeper reacts because it's now to the right of the left goal post (again from the GK's point of view). The ball is at the side of the GK and AI can't get it.

In these examples you can see no outward bend in the trajectory of the ball path. From what I've read this is what some call curve kick. It goes straight then sudden turns sharp. That's not a curl/swerve kick. This is not how I would like to play the game. IE: trick the GK into thinking a ball is straight then all of a sudden it cuts left/right (like in bowling) or down (what some call a curve now).

 

[vanbasten]

i havent bought fifa since 98 but i as a pes fan i have really liked fifa 09 and i have bought it. Fifa09 gameplay might not be up to pes but it is a gd game!

 

[vanbasten]

Relaxs lads.
This is just a game, just follow your own opinion.
Its not like after you buy the game, they would make a tattoo on your body,
'I bought a PES/FIFA'

For me, FIFA have the graphics but PES have the gameplay.

Well said!